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PostPosted: 19-Dec-2012 10:04    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

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This guy with two hand guns and an assault rifle killed his mother before going to Sandy Hook Elementary School. At that school, he killed the principal, 4 or 5 other adults and 20 children many just 5, or 6, or 7 years of age. He had a fascination with violent games and guns. We must have an empathy course taught to everybody so that senseless killings like these don't happen again. Out of respect for the victims, we BT players must have rules for so called nonlethal ammo.

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PostPosted: 19-Dec-2012 17:21    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

1. This would be more appropriate for the news & politics forum.

2. The shooter was mentally ill, and I've seen reports indicating that the incident may have been in response to his mother seeking to have him institutionalized.

3. The weapons he used were his mother's; he himself had been denied gun ownership after he failed a background screen.

4. One of the bits with role-playing is that you can often get away with things that the rules don't immediately allow for. Want a character who won't kill the enemy if they can help it? Role-play out how the character would engage in combat.
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PostPosted: 19-Dec-2012 21:46    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

1. I wanted to post this topic on The Saoon forum but Mordel hasn't enabled me to post on that forum yet.

2. That's what I've heard.

3. His mother should've had her guns locked in a combination lock gun safe.

4. "Nonlethal" ammo is sort of a misnomer. An example is super polymer ammo that, when shot from an AC/2 from a 'Mech towards an infantry trooper, can immobilize that trooper (or suffocate him/her if it stops him from breathing through his/her nose & mouth). Of course the 'MechPerson (notice I'm not using the word 'MechPerson in place of MechWarrior given how that the guy that did those shootings had a fascination with wargaming and Congress is going to study the effects of media violence a much more intense study than before) can be expected to be safe inside the 'Mech's armor when compared to that infantry trooper's weapon's damage potential.
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PostPosted: 19-Dec-2012 22:51    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

When it comes to the autocannons, take the rating and multiply it by 10. That's the rough size of the round in millimeters.

For example, an AC/2 would be a 20mm round.

Even if it's rubber or polymer, a round that size is very probably going to put someone down for the count due to such factors as "size" and "velocity".

The AC/5 comes out to be a 50mm weapon, which is what some WWII-era combat vehicles carried. There is no "very probably" at this point; any impact would likely be fatal.

The AC/10 comes out to be 100mm, which is "combat tank" territory. Not only would it be fatal, we're looking at major trauma.

The AC/20 comes out to be 200mm, which is what heavy units like the Merkava sport. Even an Elemental would be naught but a bloody smear.

Yeah.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 07:36    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

Yeah, I studied the ACs and their millimeter sizes according to the fluff.

The rubber or super polymer shots used against infantry could be designed with less propellant so that those shots "tap" the infantry at slower speeds instead of "shove" at higher speeds against infantry.

Energy soundwave generators can stun infantry also.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 08:19    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

If you drop the velocity, then you drop the maximum range.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 08:38    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 12:02    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

I didn't want too little velocity; I mean the amount of super polymer or rubber shot would probably be at most no more than half the mass of a destructive shot.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 14:09    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

Same force but half the mass?

That'd just throw everything completely off.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 17:24    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

No, at least half the velocity and half the mass of a destructive shot.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 19:21    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

so half the mass *and* half the velocity?

you effectively render the weapon useless at that point.
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 20:47    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

The ammo's mass gets halved, not the AC weapon's mass gets halved. The super polymer shell breaks open and the super polymer splashes onto the infantry person or the rubber shot simply knocks down the infantry person (like getting hit in the chest with a hammer).
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PostPosted: 20-Dec-2012 21:20    Post subject: Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, CT killed 26 Reply to topic Reply with quote

throw a baseball down a football field. next throw a tennis ball.

which will fly farther?
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