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On 2003-11-07 15:39, Mordel wrote:
Can anyone think of another industry where the price of the product you buy has increased at such a rapid rate?
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Hmm...comic books...when my dad was a kid in the 50's, they were about 10 cents per comic...when I was a kid in the 80's, they were 60 cents...now most sell for $3 each, and have for a few years now...
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Slythis
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| Posted: 08-Nov-2003 14:19 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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a $1.25 was all it cost in my fairly recent day, the price of comic books has more than double in the last 5 years.
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| Posted: 08-Nov-2003 23:39 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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Just saw the movie a half-hour ago, and successfully kept myself from reading this post until now 
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The Zion defense sequence was great, very true to the "we've got to hold the gates against the invincible enemy hordes" stereotype, but it's a good stereotype. I'll admit that having the kid (I never actually got the char's name) save the day and let the Hammer in was a bit hackneyed, but they had to do something with the character.
The Hammer flying through the tunnel was great. For a scene involving fast, twisting motion and twisting camera angles and strobing lighting effects, it didn't make me feel in the least bit queasy. That earns it very high marks in my book.
The Smith fight. Big, epic, massive, and with a resolution I honestly did not see coming. Cool beans.
The ending is where it kind of dropped. The dialouge between the Oracle and the Architect was okay, but having Seraph and the little girl (another nameless char to me) come in for an "everything will be just fine" scene rubbed me the wrong way.
Overall, very much worth the $4.50 it ultimately cost me to get in the theater, especially since some of the scenes will not make the transition to the small screen. Two thumbs up, nine out of ten, good use of a free evening.
And on a related note, who else is going to go see Troy when it comes out?
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| Posted: 08-Nov-2003 23:45 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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On 2003-11-08 23:39, Warmonger wrote:
And on a related note, who else is going to go see Troy when it comes out?
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I'll probably go check it out. It seems pretty good and I generally like movies set in that genre. I thought just seeing all those ships on the ocean looked cool. Granted, it was just 1 model duplicated several hundred times, but cool none-the-less.
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Ruger
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2003 00:32 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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And on a related note, who else is going to go see Troy when it comes out?
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Don't remember hearing about this one...
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2003 00:42 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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The new Brad Pitt movie. It's, just as the title suggests, about the battle of Troy.
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2003 10:54 Post subject: RE: I have to disagree |
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What's also disappointing is the lack of involvement of the movies namesake - its called "Matrix", not "Zion." Sheesh, IMO they never should have had the invasion as part of the plot.
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Did you even see the second movie? When Neo arrives at the Architect, the whole Battle for Zion is explained. The Matrix like any system is flawed. And the only way to "FIX" the flaw is to start over. People self acytualize, and awaken form the Matrix on their own, because their mind realizes sometihng is not quite right. Second, somewhere down the road that astarted this whole mess is a computer program that was designed by a human, and thus it was flawed, and I don't care how intelligent you saythe machinee's are, they too are flawed in their intelligence due to this connection to mankind. Thus every version of The Matrix will be flawed as well. As more and more humans as awakened from their "sleep" more and more humans are released form the Matrix, which the Machines do not want. However for the system to work, there has to be some humans awake in the real world, as suggested by the Architect. THus justifying the War for Zion.
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Lastly, some parts of the movie were not well though out. Apparently the robot's main strategy was to form themselves into tightly packed groups so they could be easily shot. If they wanted to kill the humans why didn't they just pop a nuke down into Zion, or at least some of the bombs used by the squiddies?
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Well as I said above, for the system to function properly there needs to be some humans alive in the real world. Completely wiping them out would be detrimental to the machines in the long run. After all without humans alive in the real world, it will be much harder to make The MAtrix a more believable system.
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| Posted: 09-Nov-2003 11:06 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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Key points:
The Zion defense sequence was great, very true to the "we've got to hold the gates against the invincible enemy hordes" stereotype, but it's a good stereotype. I'll admit that having the kid (I never actually got the char's name) save the day and let the Hammer in was a bit hackneyed, but they had to do something with the character.
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From what I have heard is that the "kid" which was introduced in the The Matrix Reloaded, self actualized, and woke up from the Matrix on his own, all of which is explained in The Animatrix. So the kid is not so minor anymore. Also I think that this plot item speaks volumes about what it means to be human. Forgive me for philophising, but I think that what this says about humaity, is one of the things that ytruly sets us apart form all other life on Earth. Free will and and the ability to choose one's actions cannot be under estimated. The kid, nor all the other boys, did not need to run out there and risk certain death to reload the APUs, let alone get in one, run across the docks, risking certain doom again, and do what needed to be done. Yes he was only a kid. Yes he was not a major player. Yes he was a nobody in the army, heck he wasn't even old enough to join the military. But hero's are oridinary people, who do extra-ordinary things in extra-ordinary times. And to me this another defining characteristic of humanity.
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2003 10:08 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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I just saw the film last night. The whole line that everythign with a beginning must have an ending got to me, and I was let down big time. I cannot put my finger on it but this film was lacking something. The first was an excellent movie, maybe just because of all the unknowns. The Reloaded was full of special effects and also left you wondering. Revolutions seemed to try and do too much with one film. Way to much jumping around. I also agree that the machine tatics seemed to be a bit off, but maybe the swarm is all that they can handle?
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| Posted: 10-Nov-2003 13:23 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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They are using an Insect mindset, thinking that is the most efficient....
I thought it was like a set of short stories based on a common theme. No flow between the parts....
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| Posted: 11-Nov-2003 11:46 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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On 2003-11-08 23:39, Warmonger wrote:
And on a related note, who else is going to go see Troy when it comes out?
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Little doubt in my mind that Troy will be a darn good movie, I'll be first in line to see it.
Maybe I should look into getting a hold of a copy of the Animatrix, I'm guessing it explains a LOT of things that didn't make any sense to me.
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| Posted: 12-Nov-2003 16:27 Post subject: thumbs down |
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| I've really got to agree with you, and contrary to many I thought that Reloaded was a superior movie to the original. (not to knock the original, it was still a superior movie). As for Revolutions however, it struck me as being little more than an action movie with good special effects. Sorry, but neither of those are going to carry a sci fi movie on its own. And what was up with Neo's powers in the real world anyway, that made no sense whatsoever after all of the stuff the Architect revealed in the second one about Neo being an anamoly of the construction of the Matrix. Sorry guys, but that should only count in the Matrix. And cudos to Gangrere for the remark that the movie was called the Matrix, not Zion. I agree whole-heartedly. Except for the special effects and a few isolated moments, the fight for Zion was really lame. I watch the Matrix for it's philosophical insights; the special effects are really just the icing on the cake. That last fight scene really sucked too (as did most of them)....I felt like I was watching Dragonball Z.
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| Posted: 12-Nov-2003 16:30 Post subject: p.s. (warning, spoilers) |
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| All that said, I did enjoy the first hour or so of the Movie. I thought it was excellent up to the point when Neo was released from imprisonment...go Trinity! The Merovingian was really one of the best villians of the series, right up there with Smith. He should have been used more and played a bigger role. For all of the power he supposedly has, he really counts for very little. Oh, and the Hollywood ending really doesn't fit either...come on, this is the Matrix. Are you going to tell me that after 6 hours of deep dark brooding pathos (counting all three movies), this thing is going to have a happy ending? Please!!! Sounds like the Hollywood hacks got ahold of this one.
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| Posted: 12-Nov-2003 16:33 Post subject: RE: Ruger's Movie Reviews: Matrix Revolutions... |
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| well, that was what made the first two movies so good in the first place. The first two movies both went in directions I personally never expected them to go...the Third should have done the same...I think the directors got too obscessed with the idea of providing closure...the series should have ended more ambigously, and left the audience wondering if they really had any idea of what was REALLY going on at all. Now that would be the Matrix I know and love from the first two movies.
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| Posted: 12-Nov-2003 16:47 Post subject: RE: I have to disagree |
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| Watch the scene with the Architect in Reloaded a little closer. The next batch of humans is supposed to be a group picked by Neo, who are protected by the machines and allowed to refound Zion, after the current incarnation of Zion is completely destroyed. "it's every inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eridicated." So there can be no survivers in Zion for the Matrix to be reincarnated.
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