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Karagin
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did the Dragoons original leave Clan space with and how many did they capture during the figthing on the Luithen?
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| Posted: 11-Apr-2002 04:27 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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That's a good question. Let do a little research. And I will get back to you.
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pinkfloyd214
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| Posted: 13-Apr-2002 19:18 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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i know they left clan space with at least one trueborn,Natasha Kerensky. I cannot say about Cranston Snord or his daugther Rhonda. Jamie Wolf was a freebirth as was his brother Joshua. I belive that with the exception of Natasha, the whole wolves dragoons were freebirth.
Hell i could be wrong
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 06:36 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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Well, seeing as the Dragoons have been all but wiped out a few time, the likelyhood of
any Trueborns remaining isn`t very large.
Why does it matter anyway? They were recruited mostly from second-line and police clusters, so anyone there was likely a shame to his line to start with.
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 12:21 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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I'm not sure about how many they picked up but pinkfloyd214 is right, Natasha Kerensky was the only Trueborn the Dragoon's left the Clans with, and even then she went back to the Clans after before the invasion
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 14:28 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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no she didnt.
she returned only when all the trueborn BLOODNAMED warriors where summoned back to the clans, after the death of leo showers.
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 14:37 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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I just went to CBT site... I was wrong on one account, right on another.
Here are some quotes from the Wolf's Dragoon page.
"The roster of the Dragoons included several Bloodnamed warriors who volunteered for the mission, among them a young and feisty Natasha Kerensky."
"IlKhan Leo Showers, satisfied that he would soon see his life's ambition fulfilled, issued a formal recall order to Wolf's Dragoons, calling upon "our valiant warriors in the barbarian hinterlands to return home," despite his long-standing disdain for the unit. The recall was actually an effort to prove once and for all that Wolf's Dragoons had turned their back on the Clans and could no longer be trusted. He hoped to imply by this that Clan Wolf was also suspect. Natasha Kerensky, the only living Bloodnamed warrior of the Dragoons, was the only Dragoon to return to the Clans when called, which seemed to prove the ilKhan's contention."
[ This Message was edited by: RFalcon on 2002-05-03 14:39 ]
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 14:44 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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but, WHEN was the recall given?
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 15:19 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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From the CBT Timeline:
3048: CS Explorer Corps vessel Outbound Light encounters Clan Smoke Jaguar, Bidding for the right to invade takes place, Marius O'Reilly dies, Sean O'Reilly named MH Imperator, Sean O'Reilly's title changed to Caesar, MH military buildup begins, James Moroney forms Rim Collection
And from the same page a larger bit of the Wolf's Dragoon history:
"I was stunned to discover that the incident that eventually tipped the scales in favor of invasion was triggered by our own Blessed Order. One day a ROM exploration vessel, "Outbound Light," appeared at a jump point near Huntress, a world dominated by Clan Smoke Jaguar. Sensing an opportunity but fearing that the Inner Sphere might be on the verge of discovering the location of the Clan worlds, Khan Leo Showers ordered that the vessel be taken intact, with the crew unharmed. Instead of instantly informing the Grand Council of the capture, as might be expected, Khan Leo first interrogated the crew of the explorer ship for several days.
When Khan Leo finally notified the other Clans of his discovery, he did so with superior knowledge of the Inner Sphere situation and of how ComStar, a force previously unknown to the Clans, fit into the picture. By manipulating what he had learned, Khan Leo Showers forced the Clans to reopen the Great Debate and consider several new issues. Most convincing was his argument that our Blessed Order might soon uncover the location of the Clans, thus exposing them to the entire Inner Sphere. The thought of Inner Sphere forces invading the worlds of the Clan, instead of the converse, was unthinkable to most Grand Council members. Khan Leo Showers laid out the facts of what was happening in the Inner Sphere. The Federated Commonwealth was now a battle-proven, undeniable fact. Also, there had been a sudden recovery of lostech, and the Inner Sphere was far from falling into shambles. The Khan extrapolated that the Federated Commonwealth might well subdue the rest of the Inner Sphere and declare itself the Star League reborn. This was a travesty every Clansman would be willing to give his life to prevent. It was an extremely persuasive argument.
The result was a Grand Council vote in favor of invasion. Only Clan Wolf voted against. Khan Ulric Kerensky demanded a Trial of Refusal for Clan Wolf. The odds began at sixteen to one, but the bidding reduced the odds to four to one. The warriors of Clan Wolf fought bravely, particularly those of the Third Battle Cluster, who bore the brunt of the action. They nearly seized victory from Khan Leo Showers and his forces, but sheer numbers prevailed, leaving the Wolf force devastated. Khan Leo Showers took advantage of pro-Crusader sentiment, and was elected ilKhan of the Grand Council. Preparations to invade the Inner Sphere began immediately. Their plan was named Operation Revival.
IlKhan Leo Showers, satisfied that he would soon see his life's ambition fulfilled, issued a formal recall order to Wolf's Dragoons, calling upon "our valiant warriors in the barbarian hinterlands to return home," despite his long-standing disdain for the unit. The recall was actually an effort to prove once and for all that Wolf's Dragoons had turned their back on the Clans and could no longer be trusted. He hoped to imply by this that Clan Wolf was also suspect. Natasha Kerensky, the only living Bloodnamed warrior of the Dragoons, was the only Dragoon to return to the Clans when called, which seemed to prove the ilKhan's contention."
So basically the recall was given 3048, at latest 3049. Though I'd say 3048.
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| Posted: 03-May-2002 16:06 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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IIRC, Natasha left somewhere during the start of the BoK trilogy.
I think her first public appearance in Clan Space was during Phelan's adoption into the Warrior Caste. She also spoke on the Dragoon's behalf in the Council when she was elected Khan, explaining Kerlin Ward's order.
I think most of that happened in 3050.
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| Posted: 04-May-2002 03:40 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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There are probably some other trueborns who were not bloodnamed that are still kicking in the Dragoons. Likely many of the old senior officers were trueborn. But by now there would be few if any that were still active as warriors.
Oh, yeah. Cranston Snord is freeborn, he was one of a few freeborns who brought their kids along as camoflage. And I had always thought that Natasha was the only bloodnamed warrior who went with the Dragoons. I seem to remember her telling Phelan in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy that she was the only Dragoon warrior who answered the call to return, bringing along her personal historian to prove she was still a capable warrior. I could be wrong, but I'll bet whoever wrote that above quoted passage mentioning other bloodnamed warriors messed up and forgot that detail. It happens to even the best authors, esp. the elderly ones.
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| Posted: 04-May-2002 10:39 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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Only "Living" Bloodnamed warrior. The Dragoons had been in the Inner Sphere fighting for almost 45 years, double so when you consider Misery and the 4th Succession War. That is a very long time to stay alive, especially when a clan warrior perfers honorable death in combat.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 06-May-2002 15:33 Post subject: How many Trueborns... |
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On 2002-05-03 12:21, RFalcon wrote:
I'm not sure about how many they picked up but pinkfloyd214 is right, Natasha Kerensky was the only Trueborn the Dragoon's left the Clans with, and even then she went back to the Clans after before the invasion
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She was NOT the only Trueborn sent...we know that much from comments made by WD memebers and other hints.
And from your own quote...which proves she was not the only Bloodname or Trueborn in Dragoons:
Natasha Kerensky, the only living Bloodnamed warrior of the Dragoons, was the only Dragoon to return to the Clans when called, which seemed to prove the ilKhan's contention."
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