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Hurlbut
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Fear not for Fire Support Monitor comes to your rescue! Get a Star Lord jumpship, bring 6 of those babies and watch them blast the heck out of the fighters to oblivion! Use them to support your assault on the death star err the Monkey Headquarter. Guarantee to put a big dent on any fighter force!
Class/Model/Name: Hurlbut's Fire-Support Monitor
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Monitor (JumpShip Transportable)
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 100,000 tons
Length: 385 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
16 LRM 20+Artemis IV
16 LRM 15+Artemis IV
16 LB 20-X AC
32 Autocannon/10
32 ER PPC
32 Large Pulse Laser
48 Medium Pulse Laser
32 ER Large Laser
48 ER Medium Laser
144 Small Laser
16 Gauss Rifle
16 NL55
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Class/Model/Name: Hurlbut's Fire-Support Monitor
Mass: 100,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: Standard 30,000.00
Structural Integrity: 240 30,000.00
Safe Thrust: 5 30,000.00
Maximum Thrust: 8 30,000.00
Heat Sinks: 1,760 Double 1,471.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 5,000.00
Bridge & Controls: 250.00
Fire Control Computers: 3,912.00
Food & Water: (180 days supply) 191.00
Armor Factor: 816 Lamellor Ferro-carbide 480.00
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Armor Value
(Capital Scale)
Fore: 154
Fore Left / Right: 142 / 142
Aft Left / Right: 126 / 126
Aft: 126
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Equipment & Options:
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (4) with 2 doors 600.00
Small Craft (4) with 2 doors 800.00
Bay 2: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 8,904.00
DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000
Grav Decks:
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (65-meter diameter)
Life Boats: 36 (7 tons each) 252
Crew and Passengers:
28 Officers (28 minimum) 0.00
40 Crew (37 minimum) 0.00
88 Gunners (88 minimum) 0.00
28 Marines 0.00
28 Bay Personnel 0.00
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Weapons & Equipment: Loc SRV MRV LRM ERV Heat Mass
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) Nose 6(56) 6(56) 6(56) -- 12 49.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) 10 36.00
2 LB 20-X AC(160 rounds) Nose 2(24) 2(24) -- -- 12 60.00
4 Autocannon/10(320 rounds) Nose 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 12 80.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Large Pulse Laser Nose 7(72) 4(36) -- -- 40 28.00
4 Large Pulse Laser 24 12.00
4 ER Large Laser Nose 6(62) 6(62) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser 30 6.00
18 Small Laser Nose 5(54) -- -- -- 18 9.00
2 Gauss Rifle(160 rounds) Nose 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 50.00
4 NL55 FL/R 22 22 22 22 680 8,800.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) FL/R 6(56) 6(56) 6(56) -- 24 98.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) 20 72.00
2 LB 20-X AC(160 rounds) FL/R 2(24) 2(24) -- -- 24 120.00
4 Autocannon/10(320 rounds) FL/R 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 24 160.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 7(72) 4(36) -- -- 80 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser 48 24.00
4 ER Large Laser FL/R 6(62) 6(62) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser 60 12.00
18 Small Laser FL/R 5(54) -- -- -- 36 18.00
2 Gauss Rifle(160 rounds) FL/R 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 100.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) L/RBS 6(56) 6(56) 6(56) -- 24 98.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) 20 72.00
2 LB 20-X AC(160 rounds) L/RBS 2(24) 2(24) -- -- 24 120.00
4 Autocannon/10(320 rounds) L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 24 160.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 7(72) 4(36) -- -- 80 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser 48 24.00
4 ER Large Laser L/RBS 6(62) 6(62) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser 60 12.00
18 Small Laser L/RBS 5(54) -- -- -- 36 18.00
2 Gauss Rifle(160 rounds) L/RBS 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 100.00
4 NL55 AL/R 22 22 22 22 680 8,800.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) AL/R 6(56) 6(56) 6(56) -- 24 98.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) 20 72.00
2 LB 20-X AC(160 rounds) AL/R 2(24) 2(24) -- -- 24 120.00
4 Autocannon/10(320 rounds) AL/R 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 24 160.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 7(72) 4(36) -- -- 80 56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser 48 24.00
4 ER Large Laser AL/R 6(62) 6(62) 3(32) -- 96 40.00
4 ER Large Laser 60 12.00
18 Small Laser AL/R 5(54) -- -- -- 36 18.00
2 Gauss Rifle(160 rounds) AL/R 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 4 100.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) Aft 6(56) 6(56) 6(56) -- 12 49.00
2 LRM 20+Artemis IV(162 rounds) 10 36.00
2 LB 20-X AC(160 rounds) Aft 2(24) 2(24) -- -- 12 60.00
4 Autocannon/10(320 rounds) Aft 4(40) 4(40) -- -- 12 80.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Large Pulse Laser Aft 7(72) 4(36) -- -- 40 28.00
4 Large Pulse Laser 24 12.00
4 ER Large Laser Aft 6(62) 6(62) 3(32) -- 48 20.00
4 ER Large Laser 30 6.00
18 Small Laser Aft 5(54) -- -- -- 18 9.00
2 Gauss Rifle(160 rounds) Aft 3(30) 3(30) 3(30) -- 2 50.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%) 1,000.00
TOTALS: 3,504 100,000.00
Tons Left: .00
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Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 484,860,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 95,696
Cost per BV: 5,066.67
Weapon Value: 64,018 (Ratio = .67)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 3,627; MRDmg = 2,527; LRDmg = 987; ERDmg = 255
Maintenance Point Value: MPV = 425,695 (195,319 Structure, 160,600 Life Support, 69,776 Weapons)
Support Points: SP = 232,244 (55% of MPV)
BattleForce2: (Not applicable)
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Hurlbut
Royal Black Watch Regiment
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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| Posted: 15-Oct-2002 11:09 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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Nice, but very light on the armor...if it runs into anything bigger then a dropships it's toast.
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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| Posted: 15-Oct-2002 17:29 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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Less then 200 points per side...low threshold on top of that means if it runs into even a small warship it's toast.
Any custom Frigate or Destroyer is going to eat this thing for a snack. And even some of the book warships will be able to do the same.
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 00:06 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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It`s meant to kill fighters, much like the Imperial Lancer Class Frigate.
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crabcakes66
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 00:26 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
UK Weapons
Class/Model/Name: Flying Monkey
Tech: Clan / 3067
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 100 tons
Power Plant: *xxl fusion*
Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Armor Type: *heavy ferro-fibrous*
Armament:
3 Rotary AC/5 (UK)
2 ER Med Pulse Laser
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==Capabilities:==
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and fling depleted uranium
rounds coated in radioactive feces at long range this is a fearsome fighter.
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Class/Model/Name: Flying Monkey
Mass: 100 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: *xxl fusion* 17.48
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 10 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 14 Double 4.00
Fuel: 9.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *heavy ferro-fibrous* (448 total armor pts) 22.58
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 149
Left/Right Wings: 112/112
Aft: 75
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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1 Rotary AC/5 (UK) Nose 20 20 20 -- 6 10.00
Ammo (RAC/5) 60 --- 3.00
1 Rotary AC/5 (UK) Nose 20 20 20 -- 6 10.00
Ammo (RAC/5) 78 --- 3.90
1 Rotary AC/5 (UK) Nose 20 20 20 -- 6 10.00
Ammo (RAC/5) 60 --- 3.00
1 ER Med Pulse Laser RW 7 7 -- -- 6 2.00
1 ER Med Pulse Laser LW 7 7 -- -- 6 2.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 30 99.96
Tons Left: .04
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 84,882,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 3,524
Cost per BV: 24,086.98
Weapon Value: 3,738 (Ratio = 1.06)
Damage Factors: SRV = 64; MRV = 51; LRV = 16; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 6, Armor/Structure: 11 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 8/8/6, Overheat: 0
Class: FH; Point Value: 35
what its up against in the way of monkey fighters...
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 00:32 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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I understand that...but it's not always going to have JUST fighters coming at it. And with it's armor as it is most warships will punch through with two good hits.
Not to mention that the fighters will eventually hurt the ship as well.
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crabcakes66
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 01:23 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: simian troop carrier
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Spheroid DropShip
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 100,000 tons
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Armor Type: Standard
Armament: None
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==Capabilities:==
The simian troop ship is produced by the thousands and fully loaded with
15,600 combat monkey platoons who use each other as food when their hungry.Any
man who has dared enter one of these vessels is said to have been swalled
alive by the pools of living fecal matter.
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Class/Model/Name: simian troop carrier
Mass: 100,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 19,500.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Structural Integrity: 5 1,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 364 Double .00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 510.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 750.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Armor Type: Standard (128 total armor pts) 18.00
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 36
Left/Right Sides: 32/32
Aft: 28
Cargo:
Bay 1: Infantry (foot) Platoons (15600) 78,000.00
Crew and Passengers:
4 Officers (5 minimum) 40.00
26 Crew (20 minimum) 182.00
436,800 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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TOTALS: Heat: 0 100,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 61,900,496,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 763
Cost per BV: 81,127,779.82
Weapon Value: 0 (Ratio = .00)
Damage Factors: SRV = 0; MRV = 0; LRV = 0; ERV = 0
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 22,030,158
(87,518 Structure, 21,939,000 Life Support, 3,640 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 32,188 (0% of MPV)
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 2 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: DL; Point Value: 8
Specials: sph
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crabcakes66
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 01:31 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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BattleSpace Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: simian frigate frigate fugit screwit
Tech: Clan / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: BattleSpace
Mass: 2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Ferro-carbide
Armament:
792 Small Laser
45 Autocannon 2
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==Capabilities:==
damn im bored
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Class/Model/Name: simian frigate frigate fugit screwit
Mass: 2,500,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 750,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 47) 1,131,250.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F) .00
Structural Integrity: 237 592,500.00
Total Heat Sinks: 1,386 Double 117.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 3,060.00
Bridge, Controls, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 6,250.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Food & Water: (349 days supply) 400.00
Armor Type: Ferro-carbide (10,809 total armor pts) 11,849.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 1,984
Fore-Left/Right: 1,801/1,801
Aft-Left/Right: 1,801/1,801
Aft: 1,621
DropShip Capacity: 2 Docking Hardpoints 2,000.00
Grav Deck #1: (98-meter diameter) 50.00
Life Boats: 2 (7 tons each) 14.00
Escape Pods: 2 (7 tons each) 14.00
Crew and Passengers:
65 Primary Engineers (186 suggested) 650.00
162 Secondary Engineers (464 suggested) 1,134.00
2 Pilots (7 suggested) 20.00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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99 Small Laser Nose -- -- -- -- 99 49.50
45 Autocannon 2(990 rounds)Nose 9 9 9 -- 45 292.00
99 Small Laser FL/R -- -- -- -- 198 99.00
99 Small Laser L/RBS -- -- -- -- 198 99.00
99 Small Laser AL/R -- -- -- -- 198 99.00
99 Small Laser Aft -- -- -- -- 99 49.50
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TOTALS: Heat: 837 2,499,997.00
Tons Left: 3.50
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 70,908,732,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 188,073
Cost per BV: 377,027.71
Weapon Value: 100,186 (Ratio = .53)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,260; MRV = 65; LRV = 25; ERV = 0
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,505,567
(611,300 Structure, 874,575 Life Support, 19,692 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 532,800 (35% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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Hurlbut
Royal Black Watch Regiment
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 09:06 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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On 2002-10-15 17:29, Karagin wrote:
Less then 200 points per side...low threshold on top of that means if it runs into even a small warship it's toast.
Any custom Frigate or Destroyer is going to eat this thing for a snack. And even some of the book warships will be able to do the same.
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That thing is maxed out on armor, man. Book warships? last time I looked, it was not even designed to be used alone, like the fluff for Lancer Frigate from Star Wars Ships Book indicate, it operate with other ships. You already can see that most SL era and many Clan WarShips lack sufficent standard weapons to defend against Fighters. This monitor (I am hoping to rename it soon) is clearly labeled "Fire Support", it is designed purely as an AA picket ship nothing more. Sure enemy WarShips will try to take it out but what does prevent the WarShips it is escorting from getting in shots at those warships when they are focused on the monitor? It is fast enough to stay ahead most of the book WarShips. There are enough bays of weapons in an arc to inflict crits hit on fighters, it can track a high number of fighter especailly at side angle to the monitor (Fore-Sides, Aft-Sides, and Broadside overlap each other starting at 3-4 hexes from a craft all the way to end of the range).
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Karagin
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 10:18 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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It has a mission...great...but given that mission, the other side will actively seek the ship out and try to destroy it. Even working together the ship lacks anything to stike back at the bigger ships who will be gunning for it, just as they are any other vessel that is not on their side.
So you maxed the armor out, that still doesn't change the fact that if it is hit by any NAVAL weapon bay it has a good chance of being hurt badly.
Also most ships rely on their fighters to deal with enemy fighters. While having a dicated AAA platform is nice, one has to wonder if a dropship could not do the same job for less cost...
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 10:48 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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On 2002-10-16 10:18, Karagin wrote:
While having a dicated AAA platform is nice, one has to wonder if a dropship could not do the same job for less cost...
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You`re not supposed to ask the Procurement Division hard questions like these...
"Just look at the shiny hull metal! Look at the crew in their snazzy black uniforms! Look at all the gleaming weaponry! How can you possibly complain about this fine ship?"
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Hurlbut
Royal Black Watch Regiment
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 11:03 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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On 2002-10-16 10:18, Karagin wrote:
It has a mission...great...but given that mission, the other side will actively seek the ship out and try to destroy it. Even working together the ship lacks anything to stike back at the bigger ships who will be gunning for it, just as they are any other vessel that is not on their side.
So you maxed the armor out, that still doesn't change the fact that if it is hit by any NAVAL weapon bay it has a good chance of being hurt badly.
Also most ships rely on their fighters to deal with enemy fighters. While having a dicated AAA platform is nice, one has to wonder if a dropship could not do the same job for less cost...
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Good luck trying to get a dropship get all that loadout although you may have a bit easy time with more tonnages freed from the naval lasers. Just remember Spheriod DropShip has cost multipler of 28 (thats the cheapest part of the two dropship types Aero and Sphere) while the warship has the cost multipler of 2 and that applies to the Monitor. DropShip FCS limit is 12 weapons per arc while WarShip FCS limit is 20 weapons per arc. I checkted the engine table, DropShips has a larger percent of their mass devoted to engine. I checked the SI of my design to a 100 k DropShip with same mass and same SI, DropShip's SI is heavier. Again DropShip devote a larger percent of its mass to control component. DropShip get 3225 ferro-aluminum armor points (Standard Scale) while the Monitor get 672 lamellor Ferro-carbide armor points (Capital scale and thats 6720 in standard scale for you)
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| Posted: 16-Oct-2002 11:19 Post subject: RE: Worrying about Those Fighters? |
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I look at your statement and I look at the AT2, I see no indication that DropShip have better survivability, in fact its the other way around where the Monitor is actualy the better one. Oh I would like to point out that I made an error and that is the DropShip whose SI is 240 can support 864 tons of armor, about 5,806 ferro-aluminum armor points standard scale. This actually show that Monitor is a better space combat craft, but that it will never equal the abilities of the DropShips, one of which is to carry their internal contents and operate within a planet's atmosphere.
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