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ICER
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 Posted: 03-Mar-2002 14:27 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Clan honor can really be a hinderance.
In the battle of Monte Diablo. I joined a group of players that I have never met before. When I explained that I had almost always played with clan honor. They asked me to throw that idea of playing out the window for the duration of this battle.
Well, It did make sense. And I was not playing MY character. So I played by IS rules of combat.
WOW!!! As a unit. you guys play dirty. In the clans. we cannot fire on a target that already has two oppenets in that round (To do so would start a Grand Melee. which is the nastiest form of combat). But in the IS unit play. We had up to six players shoot one target. OUCH!!
Also. In the clans. You do not actively seek back shots. Ambushes are frowned upon. as are phycials attacks. Not in the IS.
Which brings up a question.
Was clan honor FASA's way of evening the playing feild agaist the clans high tech and weapons?
And have you ever played with clan honor. or would you ever?
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Ares
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 14:35 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Maybe your idea about evening the playing field could be applied to game mechanics, but I can't realistically see the Clans having so much honor. It dosen't make sense, war is war: fair is bringing all my men home, **** the enemy.
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 14:41 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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AAAHH. but you see. War is the way of life to the clans.
To die in battle. is the most honorable way to go. It is not unlike the Kamazees of WW2. other then the fact, that it is OK to live after a battle.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 16:56 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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I'd play with Clan Honor anytime.
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 17:04 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Maybe you missed a topic where chihawk and myself both mentioned that people who use the Clans proerly to fight the IS, generally find it not always an easy battle. And that is because of the equalizer of following that clan honor.
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 17:32 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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No, I missed that topic. But it does prove my theory.
Clan honor does even the feild a little.
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 18:06 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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I fought a Clan battle at Total Con, where we were supposed to be recruits taking our tests.
Rules were: Kill as many instructors as possible, one at a time. If you ever shot at a target that was not yours you would start a grand melee, where everyone would be free to enter.
Started 3 students against 5 testers, as you killed your opponent another stepped in. My first opponent died quickly, but I took significant damage in each torso. My second opponent was just about dead when one of the students decided it would be fun to try to steal my kill, and fired at my target. Of course when he did this, I was by far the closest to the side where the last mech a Daishi was waiting and hurt me badly.. Punched through my right torso, and removed my left arm.. removing every weapon I had.
As luck would have it my second opponent was kind of not thinking and decided not to move when his initiative came next turn. I charged him (also breaking the Clan Honor Rules, and further drawing fire).
Luckily my charge killed him dead. The Daishi then proceeded to wipe out me and the rest of the field. When we finished, I was the only one with a kill (two in fact), but since I had broken Clan honor rules they were gonna bust me out. I made my case this way.
"I am a warrior. I was given a Mech and told to kill as many targets as possible. Once my weapons were destroyed, the only way I had to finish following your orders was to perform a despicable physical attack and kill my target. If I am guilty of anything, I am only guilty of improvisation and initiative."
The table liked my speech. Though had we been the Jade Falcons I think I'd a gotten shot.
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| Posted: 03-Mar-2002 21:59 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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You know, you'd think they would learn if they scrapped their honor system it would help them out so much tactically, thus enabling a quicker return to the IS, which was Kerensky's wish from the beginning, that Terra was theirs. But yet they throw in these rules, which delays their return.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 08:46 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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On 2002-03-03 14:41, ICER wrote:
AAAHH. but you see. War is the way of life to the clans.
To die in battle. is the most honorable way to go. It is not unlike the Kamazees of WW2. other then the fact, that it is OK to live after a battle.
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I see it more as Bushido. The code that governs life,death,and honor.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 09:24 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Yeah. That is a much better definition. It would be closer to the Bushido code.
Thanks Horhiro.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 13:40 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Death is easy, it's Duty that's hard....
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 13:57 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Isn't that suppose to be "Death is easy, comedy is hard,"?
Of course some of the players I played with. Their moves pretty close to comedy.
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I said to myself, "I Will soon have them beat!" Ignoring thirteen warriors laid at their feet, I gave out a yell and leaped into the fray... (Not very rational, but it'd been that kind of day.)
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 14:08 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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I still think Ghost Bear's Omega Galaxy is the best thing in the world...
Clan Weapons witht he Dirty IS tactics! Ooooh yeah!
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 14:36 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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That would be honor code level 4. Where Zellbrigen is not followed.
It is a dirty low down daget that follows that code. But it does help against the IS troops tactics.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2002 14:45 Post subject: In Retrospect |
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Dirty? *cries* I just like it cause its fun...
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