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Kraken
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Shadow Hawk SHD-5D
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Earthwerk SHD II Endo Steel
Power Plant: 275 Hermes XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Chilton 360 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Maximillian 43 Standard
Armament:
2 Medium Lasers
1 LRM 20
1 PPC
1 Streak SRM 2
Manufacturer: Earthwerks Incorporated
Location: Calloway VI
Communications System: Neil 9000
Targeting & Tracking System: RCA Instatrac Mark XII
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Type/Model: Shadow Hawk SHD-5D
Mass: 55 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 91 pts Endo Steel 14 3.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 7 LA, 7 RA)
Engine: 275 XL Fusion 12 8.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 185 pts Standard 0 12.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 27
Center Torso (Rear): 9
L/R Side Torso: 13 20/20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 6/6
L/R Arm: 9 18/18
L/R Leg: 13 26/26
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
1 LRM 20 RT 6 6 6 11.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 PPC LT 10 3 7.00
1 Streak SRM 2 HD 2 50 2 2.50
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
CASE Equipment: LT RT 2 1.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 24 71 55.00
Crits & Tons Left: 7 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 10,445,656 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,413
Cost per BV: 7,392.54
Weapon Value: 1,313 / 1,287 (Ratio = .93 / .91)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 16; MRDmg = 16; LRDmg = 8
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/2
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/2, Overheat: 1
Class: MM; Point Value: 14
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As much as I like the Shadow Hawk, I find that the unit's heavy dependence on ammo can hinder it during extended operations and that the positioning of the Streak ammo in the center torso makes for a rather ugly hazard. As such, I took the 5M model and altered it in a way similar to the original Kurita version of the model- trading out the Autocannon for a PPC, an extra medium laser, and max armor. This also allowed for the Streak ammo to be moved into the side torso where there is a CASE housing for it.
I gave it the Davion designator as the unit I initially designed it for was Davion.
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 16-Jun-2003 17:46 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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I think I would rather have a smaller LRM launcher with a bit more ammo...could also put a couple more tons towards upgrade the streak as well.
This design as you currently have it has much more of a K variant upgrade than a D.
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 08-Aug-2003 19:45 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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I like it! Any way to add an artimis IV for the lrms? I love those things 
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 09-Aug-2003 00:07 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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This also allowed for the Streak ammo to be moved into the side torso where there is a CASE housing for it.
I gave it the Davion designator as the unit I initially designed it for was Davion.
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why? this thing packs an xl.
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| Posted: 09-Aug-2003 00:10 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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On 2003-08-09 00:07, Vagabond wrote:
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This also allowed for the Streak ammo to be moved into the side torso where there is a CASE housing for it.
I gave it the Davion designator as the unit I initially designed it for was Davion.
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why? this thing packs an xl.
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For salvage reasons (CASE stops it from being totaled, even though it will be disabled) and to ensure the pilot survives (in case auto-eject is off for some reason).
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 09-Aug-2003 00:33 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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i know those reason, if you remember i was the one that pointed that out awhile back. lol.
askin his reasons.
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deathshadow
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| Posted: 29-Aug-2003 16:26 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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Pilot survives anyways. Damage doesn't transfer that direction... EVER.
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deathshadow
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| Posted: 29-Aug-2003 17:42 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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You complain about ammo concerns, then only give it six rounds of LRM ammo?
Also, I have doubts about the need for XL just to carry an LRM-20. A pair of -5's, while a lot less punch, would let you drop back down to a standard engine, with much less concern for ammo.
Hmm. Lemme see what I come up with...
Ok, this is double the firepower of the original 2D and gives you the five jump, without resorting to an XL. I made it Canopian since they manufacture or can get access to all the parts needed. (endo imported from Liao, FF imported from the TC)
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Type:Shadow Hawk SHD-5MC
Technology Base: Inner Sphere Level 2
Cost: 5,552,306 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,384
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Majesty T1L
Power Plant: 275 Core Tek Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54.0 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: 5 Pitban LFT-50 Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Durallex Super Medium FF
Armament:
2 Martel Model 5 Medium Lasers
2 Holly Long Range 5 Packs
1 Parti-Kill Heavy PPC
1 Marklin Short Range Medium (4) Pack
Manufacturer: Majesty Metals and Manufacturing
Location: Dunianshire
Communications System: O/P 300 Comset
Targeting & Tracking System: O/P 2000M
Equipment: Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo Steel 3
Engine: 275 Fusion 15.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10[20] Double 0
Gyro: 3
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 185 Ferro-Fibrous 10.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 27
Center Torso (Rear): 9
L/R Side Torso: 13 20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 6
L/R Arm: 9 18
L/R Leg: 13 26
Chassis Criticals
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Actuators LA: Sh, UA, LA, H
RA: Sh, UA, LA, H
Endo Steel: 4 LA, 4 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT
Ferro-Fibrous: 3 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT,
1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL
Weapons and Equipment Loc Crits Mass
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Medium Laser RA 1 1
2 Jump Jets RT 2 1
2 LRM 5s RT 2 4
Ammo(24) LRM-5 RT 1 1
Ammo(25) SRM-4 RT 1 1
CASE RT 1 0.5
SRM 4 HD 1 2
Jump Jet CT 1 0.5
2 Jump Jets LT 2 1
PPC LT 3 7
Medium Laser LA 1 1
Calculated Factors:
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Cost per BV: 4,011.78
Weapon Value: 1,197/1,197 (Ratio=0.86/0.86)
Damage Factors: Short:17 Medium:12 Long:5
BattleForce2:
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MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/5
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/1, Overheat: 1
Class: MM; Point Value: 14
Specials: None
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 29-Aug-2003 21:20 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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Why is it L3? Or was that a typo?
The ShadowHawk sucks, so just about any change is an improvement. Yours is pretty good, and I like how you dropped the AC for the PPC. I don't like that it still has just 6 shots for the LRM20. That was always a waste IMO.
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Kraken
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| Posted: 29-Aug-2003 22:46 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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When I first went to do this I accidently set it to L3 instead of L2. I didn't catch it until it was too late to do anything about it, which is why it says L3.
As far as the LRMs go, I agree that just that limited number of shots is a bit of a waste for a system so large. I could theoretically use a different missile system (SRM or possibly MRM) in its place, but I'd be trading off range for punch and more shots.
As far as the PPC- the one thing that bugged me about the SHD was that even though it was designed for long missions it had only one weapon that didn't need ammo and it was mounted in a limb. Hence, I preferred the Kuritan version a little more.
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2003 00:49 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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If you want to keep the hitting power and increase the ammo supply with out giving up other equipment replacethe LRM-20 with four LRM-5s you gain 2 tons and some redundancy at the cost of two points of heat
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| Posted: 30-Aug-2003 00:56 Post subject: RE: SHD-5D Shadow Hawk |
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You might want to replace the LRM 20 with a LRM 15 and an Artemis system. This allows for more ammo to be carried and has a similar average damage.
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