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 Posted: 12-Sep-2003 10:11 Post subject: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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I will shortly play a friend via e-mail. Lance-on-lance battle, 3025 lvl1 game, 3500 BV-points, standard 5/4 pilots.
Question is, which 'mechs should I use? Now, I'm no newbie, so I have my own ideas. But I'm gonna let this board influence them somewhat, good way to get back in, right?
I am already set on two 'mechs, no ifs, no buts. They are the standard Rifleman and standard Cyclops. Both of these are such wonderful value for points, they're going in. Both field powerful weaponry but lack heat sinks and armour. Out of the following combinations, which other two 'mechs should I chose?
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 10:20 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Here my thoughts. These are in my hierarchy of liking, I won't vote myself.
Warhammer & Centurion H: Great Fire-power. PPCs, LRMs, AC20. Roughly doubles my short and long-range capabilities. Both of these don't have the greatest armour, though. Still, may favourite.
Archer S & Wolfhound: The S variant downgrades the launchers to 15s, which does however mean more ammo and no heat problems. Great armour! Lower cost, better short-range protection. The Wolfhound is excellent, but with its speed profile doesn't quite fit with the rest. Close 2nd.
Highlander & Flea-15: The Highlander is a versatile, powerful, and very heavily-armoured beast. Drawback: the Flea, a sacrificial lamb with its 2 tons of armour. The LL on it doesn't help too much.... 3rd place
Kintaro & Trebuchet: The Kintaro is quick, well-armoured and bristling with weapons, that's why I'm itching to try it out. The Trebuchet is one of my favourite 'mechs of all time. Why I'm hesitant: The Kintaro can't fire even half its weapons without overheating. It needs careful red-line riding (which, IN MY EXPERIENCE!, is an easy thing in PBeMs). The Trebuchet might not be too resilient in confined spaces. Short-range weaponry is mediocre, long-range weaponry is short on ammo. Not so great for PBeMs.
Archer K and Centurion H: Well, an alternative to my no. 1. The Archer K is a little tougher, but has more heat problems than the Warhammer. A matter of choice? There is less redundancy in the Hammer, and it can dish out way more at close ranges!
There you go! Please comment all you want, I'd love to hear it all!
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 10:24 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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A last PS (NO! I'm NOT spamming!  ) - the numbers behind the 'mech choices are the total BV for the four 'mechs.
We have banned the Awesome, Imp, Stalker, Marauder II and Atlas, to make it more entertaining.
It may be that it will be fought as a 1-map slaughter-house. At most two maps will be used - most likely standard maps. This depends on the convenience of my friend, so this is a factor that we can't go into.
Thanks for your time!
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 10:37 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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What about your views on the Ostroc and Centurion combo? You didn't post them.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 10:44 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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How many maps?, and which maps?
Are you using the standard intiative rules or simultaneaous movement?
Are you allowed specialty ammo for the LRMs and ACs?
Why didn't you play in my latest game?
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 11:05 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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I have to go with the Warhammer and Centurion combo. With the possibility that you will be using one mapsheet and more mroe than 2 the uses for a LRM boat like the Archer are few, especially when you have at least one other machine with them.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2003 22:13 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Without knowing the field I am going with the Archer/Wolfhound combo. The Wolfhound is light but a big light, decent armor, the only speed you have to outflank or protect your Riflemans back. The S Archer reduced punch but all your mechs have heat issues so this allows you to have a contant fighter. Also it give more range than anything you have, on a consistant basis. Tell us how it goes.
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2003 00:21 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Warhammer and Centurion. A good choice for a 3025 slugfest. I would have voted for the Kintaro&Trebuchet combo if it was the SRM Trebuchet, though.
On the other hand, seeing as you're a bit light on armor in the ready pair of mechs... Why not pick a Thunderbolt? TDR-5S and a Wolfhound, that's the ticket... If the BV holds up, of course.
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2003 05:30 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Oops, the Ostroc and Centurion: The Centurion is a really good all-rounder. As I've posted in the TRO, it is one of the best 'mechs around in terms of its load-out making it ready for everything. Decent armour, ok speed, once again: excellent weapons. It lacks the surprise of the H variant though, and actually costs more. I've seen the Ostroc used to great effect. Has good weaponry with sufficient heat sinks, armour that isn't great yet it's still tough because of items-placement, it is very fast. I can't really spot any weaknesses..... But the drawback is probably that I've used the Centurion too often and the Ostroc not often enough!
To Chihawk: Well it will be 1-2 standard maps, so close and brutal (bad for Rifleman, good for Cyclops).
I have moved, changed uni, have built up a relationship.... I was busy last year But, dear sir, I would be most honoured if I had the option to enter your next game!!!
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2003 05:31 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Movement will be simultaneous.
No special ammo for anything (including lvl 1 infernos).
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2003 08:37 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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To Chihawk: Well it will be 1-2 standard maps, so close and brutal (bad for Rifleman, good for Cyclops).
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"So close and brutal" rules out LRMs. Speed and firepower will rule the day. Choose wisely.
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| Posted: 22-Sep-2003 15:22 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Rifleman and a Scotty summers eh. actualy my two choices would really be P-hawk LAM and Jenner. the cyc. and R-man haven't that much agility. And as any student of military arts will tell you the ability to move your units to deal with unexpected excreatment will win you more battles that shear firepower.
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Also they have nice striking power and can get in the oppositions "six" real easy
Quote: Hold them by the nose ( the rifleman and cyclops) and kick them in the ass ( The P-hawk and jenner)! Gen. George S Patton.
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| Posted: 24-Sep-2003 04:26 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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I have to agree with you. My favourite 'mech ever is the Summoner/Thor. Which relies mainly on agility.
I have always hated the P-Hawk, don't know, just an irrational dislike of the design. And we won't use LAMs. The Jenner I considered for a short while - but honestly, speed is not as important in PBeMs as in normal games. What with moves being simultaneous, it is more important to plan them carefully, than to get a max. modifier (in which case it is possible to land in an entirely wrong place).
Would you agree chihawk? In the one game in which I used the Clint firepower ruled, even though I pulled every register (and the Warhammer went down with me). When I used the lvl 1 Cyclops I did extremely well even agains lvl 2 designs, I just got extremely unlucky.... I won't talk about that Lineholder-debacle-farce-grrrrr! 
And seeing that the Cyclops and Rifleman are possibly the two best designsfor milking BV for what it's worth (those and the Stalker which was banned), they were set from minute one. Not to mention that at least the Rifleman is pretty much a kick-a** design anyway.....
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| Posted: 24-Sep-2003 04:51 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Got to go with the Whammer/Centurion combo as my first choice. Plenty of firepower there. Second choice would be the Wolfhound/Archer S, even in such tight quarters as you're describing.
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| Posted: 08-Oct-2003 21:57 Post subject: RE: 'mechs selection question for PBeM |
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Well, I can't say I am an authority on B-Tech, but I think that for your situation, the Warhammer--Ceturion combo is best for what you already have. That AC20 will be very useful if you are on a single map, and it has decent speed, so if you can use the Cent as a flanker (or at least to keep them aware), you can keep them harassed with the 'Hammer, then trash them with the Cyc., while using the Rifleman for supprt, and using the Cent for trying to get behind them (nothing scares someone like an AC20 to the reaer torso).
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