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Paul
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 Posted: 17-Dec-2003 08:33 Post subject: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Far be it from me to have an original thought. 
Anyway, here's perhaps an interesting comparison.
Javelin JVN-10N
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Urbanmech UM-R60
Both have comparable damage potentials, (on average) although the Javelin can get lucky.
The Javelin has a decided speed advantage, but the Urby is packing a lot more armor, and it has that nice lil boomstick. A weapon which will crit any location on the Javelin, if it hits.
In the open, the Urby has a distinct range advantage.
Both have ammo, although the Jav has 2 tons.
Assuming equal pilots and any environment you wish, who would you put your money on?
Extra twist: would it make a big difference to substitute the Urby for a 60L and the Jav for a 10F?
Let's see how much discussion an Urby can still provoke. 
=)
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Havoc~Ronin
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 11:53 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Urbies Rule!!!
OK, now that that is out of the system, let's compare. In a city, built up area or even a canyon type terrain, the Urbanmech has an advantage. It was designed specifically for city fighting and with its squat shape, this mech has the ability to take advantage of corners and cover. The Javelin's weaknesses are most vulnerable in this style of fighting. I would hedge my bets on the Urbie winning in confined fighting.
However...... in the open, wooded or hilly areas, the Urbie is severely handicapped by its lack of speed and weapon locations. The Javelin, being more mobile and having better jump jet range will the majority of the engagements. The Urbie might win a few with lucky hits, but it is a walking pillbox and speed is not its forte (sic). It becomes a walking target to be pick at with impunity by the Javelin pilot.
This my humble opinion.
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Paul
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 12:31 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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On 2003-12-17 11:53, Havoc~Ronin wrote:
Urbies Rule!!!
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Gah! Pesky fanatics!
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OK, now that that is out of the system, let's compare. In a city, built up area or even a canyon type terrain, the Urbanmech has an advantage.
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I concur.
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However...... in the open, wooded or hilly areas, the Urbie is severely handicapped by its lack of speed and weapon locations.
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What's wrong with it's weapon locations? It has both weapons in it's flip arms. It can train the weaponry on a target regardless to where it is.
That said, the mobility will help the Jav, but one shouldn't forget that the AC10 has got good range. If it stays put like a good little pillbox, I think it'll get some hits in.
Base 4 (arbitrary) + 0 for the Urbies move + 3 for the Javelin's move = 7 plus whatever terrain there might be at Short range. That's pretty damn good odds. And it only gets worse if the Jav tries to hang back. It might try to outlast the Urby's ammo, I suppose.
And yes, I realize that, barring cover shrubs, the Jav has got 6's to-hits in the above scenario. Still, an Urby can survive a lot of SRMs. A Jav can't survive a lot of AC10 fire.
I think in both environments, the Urby has the edge, which hardly guarantees a victory.
Of course, strategically, it's only useful for defense because of it's rediculous speed.
Paul
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Oafman
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 12:36 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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The last thing you need is to get stuck with one on an offensive mission.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 13:19 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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The Javelin would eat the Urbie in every situation except in a City....
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 15:15 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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| In a duel, I'd probably give the Urbanmech the odds due to the Javelin's light armor. It only takes one hit on the Javelin for the Urbanmech to knock out something critical. The Urbie has to be careful about his shots though; after all, he does only have ten. Still, that should be enough for a wise pilot. The Urbanmech also mounts enough rear armor not to have to worry too much about rear arc shots coming from the Javelin...at least for the first couple of shots. The Javelin's jump jets don't really give it an advantage, as using them pushes the mods up as much for the Javelin as it can for the Urbanmech.
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 16:02 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Who needs a Javalin? I took out an elite player piloting an Urbie while in a Locust. This duel took place on a wooded/hill map and he parked himself like a typical pill box on one of the hills. I kept running every round taking extra advantage when I won initiative.
It really showed the weakness of the Urbie when alone and out-manouvered. It also helped that the player piloting it had a nice hangover
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 16:53 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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| ??? That sounds a bit unlikely...I don't know, but I'd think the AC would hit a bit more often that that. The Urbie could absorb some fire, but the Locust, almost every hit would be internal. Of course, I don't think I've ever actually piloted an Urbanmech in combat, so I'm not really too familiar with it's capabilities on the ground.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 16:55 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Wanna bet?
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 16:58 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Horhiro should also note that his opponent was reading a novel, eating breakfast, and chatting with several people while he was playing.
Provided he's refering to the same match I think he is.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 16:59 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Urbie!!!
[ This Message was edited by: chihawk on 2003-12-17 17:00 ]
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Horhiro
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 18:46 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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That is correct sir! However I don't think his tactics would've changed much had he not been eating/talking, as the match went on he was very convinced that his tactics of staying still on a wooded hill would eventually work....they didn't because I kept moving, and he couldn't roll a 9 to hit me
[ This Message was edited by: Horhiro on 2003-12-17 18:47 ]
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 20:26 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Chihawk,
I'm not sure if I fully understand your position. Maybe its just me, but I don't think you are communicating which design you like better.
Raven!
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 20:32 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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Sometimes on the internet a little is lost in the written word. Perhaps I can explain it a little better so that there's no misunderstanding.
Urbie!!!
I hope that clears it up.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2003 22:49 Post subject: RE: Jumping on the Mech comparison bandwagon |
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The Javelin would have the advantage. In a Duel the movement is too much. I can move in when I win initiative and move out when I loose. I actually think the Urbie is more trouble in the city than in the open versus a Javelin. In the open range becomes a factor and the Urbie may have some decent shots to hit it with. Also the Urbie is not that well armored, 2 SRM 6s do pack a wallop. Yes first round or two is sand paper, but then it gets in. So Javelin in 2 out of three type ratio.
AWAD- Javelin is a great medium to light vehicle or wounded Mech hunter.
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