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					Motown Scrapper Clan Ice Hellions Galaxy Commander
  
 
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								 Posted: 15-Jan-2004 22:18    Post subject: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								Here is something I think is lacking in the BT universe...Stratigic bombers.
                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                   VALIDATED
 
 Class/Model/Name:  Vickers Valiant 
 Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
 Vessel Type:       Aerodyne Small Craft
 Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
 Rules Set:         AeroTech2
 
 Mass:              150 tons
 Power Plant:       Standard
 Safe Thrust:       5
 Maximum Thrust:    8
 Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
 Armament:          
     1 ER Large Laser
     5 ER Medium Laser
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 ==Overview:==
 The Vickers Valiant is the first of the so called "V"class bombers named after
 British stratigic bombers of the mid 20th century to enter ODF
 service.Iintended to deliver a massive bomb load to a target This craft
 revives the concept of the stratigic bomber
 
 ==Capabilities:==
 Two massive Bomb bays each with a 20 ton capacity  allow this craft to deliver
 a massive amount of damage with the capability of crrying this load through
 the space atmosphere interface.Under wing hard points allow it to carry a
 variety of extwernal stores when ground based including bombs air to surface
 missiles and air to air missiles the ER large laser and 5 ER medium laser give
 it a minimal self defense ability but generaly they are provided with a
 fighter escort.
 
 ==Variants:==
 The bomb bays are sometimes modified to carry standard cargo on some ships
 others have been equiped with seats for jump infantry that are air
 droped.There are also varients that carry air to surface missiles in the bomb
 bay
 
 ==Deployment==
 Valiants are deployed with naval landing squadrons and air force stratigic
 support units.
 
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 Class/Model/Name:  Vickers Valiant 
 Mass:              150 tons
 
 Equipment:                                                              Mass
 Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                           49.00
 Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
       Maximum Thrust: 8
 Structural Integrity: 8                                                  6.00
 Total Heat Sinks:    19 Double                                          19.00
 Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                       2.50
 Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                  1.50
 Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
 Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (247 total armor pts)                      12.00
                            Standard Scale Armor Pts
    Location:                            L / R
    Fore:                                 84
    Left/Right Wings:                  61/61
    Aft:                                  41
 
 
 Crew and Passengers:
       3 Crew (3 minimum)                                                 6.00
       1 Gunners (1 minimum)                                              2.00
       1 Bombadier                                                        2.00
 Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          RW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          LW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 2 Bomb Bay                                                              40.00
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 TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 37    150.00
 Tons Left:                                                                .00
 
 Calculated Factors:
 Total Cost:        10,004,632 C-Bills
 Battle Value:      980
 Cost per BV:       10,208.81
 Weapon Value:      1,878 (Ratio = 1.92)
 Damage Factors:    SRV = 30;  MRV = 24;  LRV = 2;  ERV = 0
 Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,870
                    (627 Structure, 740 Life Support, 503 Weapons)
                    Support Points (SP) = 3,152  (169% of MPV)
 BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 6 / 0
                    Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                    Class: DS;  Point Value: 10
 
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					Motown Scrapper Clan Ice Hellions Galaxy Commander
  
 
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								 Posted: 15-Jan-2004 22:19    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								                 AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                   VALIDATED
 
 Class/Model/Name:  Avro Vulcan 
 Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
 Vessel Type:       Aerodyne Small Craft
 Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
 Rules Set:         AeroTech2
 
 Mass:              170 tons
 Power Plant:       Standard
 Safe Thrust:       5
 Maximum Thrust:    8
 Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
 Armament:          
     1 ER Large Laser
     5 ER Medium Laser
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 ==Overview:==
 The Avro Vulcan is the second"V" class  stratigic bomber to see ODF service
 somewhat Heavier than the Victor with a larger bombload in a single bay 
 
 ==Capabilities:==
 The Avro Vulcan has a massive bomb bay with a 50 ton capacity and has
 underwing hard points that can carry an additional 17 tons of external stores
 that can include bombs air to surface and air to air missiles16.5 tons of
 ferro-aluminum armour give decent protection,and the ER large and 5 ER medium
 lasers give it some defensive capability though normaly it has an escort of
 ASFs
 
 ==Variants:==
 A common Variant carries stand-off air to surface missiles
 
 ==Deployment==
 The Avro Vulcan is used primarily by the Air Force though a few are carried on
 Naval vessel during offensive opperations
 
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 Class/Model/Name:  Avro Vulcan 
 Mass:              170 tons
 
 Equipment:                                                              Mass
 Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                           55.50
 Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
       Maximum Thrust: 8
 Structural Integrity: 8                                                  6.80
 Total Heat Sinks:    18 Double                                          16.00
 Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                       5.50
 Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                  1.50
 Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
 Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (328 total armor pts)                      16.50
                            Standard Scale Armor Pts
    Location:                            L / R
    Fore:                                109
    Left/Right Wings:                  82/82
    Aft:                                  55
 
 Cargo:
    Bay 1:  Bomb bay (1) with 2 doors                                    50.00
 
 
 Crew and Passengers:
       3 Crew (3 minimum)                                                 6.00
       1 Bombadeer                                                        2.00
 Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          RW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          LW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 37    169.80
 Tons Left:                                                                .20
 
 Calculated Factors:
 Total Cost:        11,396,748 C-Bills
 Battle Value:      1,303
 Cost per BV:       8,746.54
 Weapon Value:      2,134 (Ratio = 1.64)
 Damage Factors:    SRV = 29;  MRV = 23;  LRV = 2;  ERV = 0
 Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,959
                    (711 Structure, 755 Life Support, 493 Weapons)
                    Support Points (SP) = 2,364  (121% of MPV)
 BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 8 / 0
                    Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                    Class: DS;  Point Value: 13
 
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					Motown Scrapper Clan Ice Hellions Galaxy Commander
  
 
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								 Posted: 15-Jan-2004 22:22    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								          AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                   VALIDATED
 
 Class/Model/Name:  Handley Page Victor 
 Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
 Vessel Type:       Aerodyne Small Craft
 Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
 Rules Set:         AeroTech2
 
 Mass:              200 tons
 Power Plant:       Standard
 Safe Thrust:       5
 Maximum Thrust:    8
 Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
 Armament:          
     4 ER Medium Laser
     2 ER Large Laser
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 ==Overview:==
 The Victor is the third and largest of the "V"type stratigic bomber to enter
 ODF service
 
 ==Capabilities:==
 The Victor at 200 tons is the largest of the "V" type bombers with 23 tons of
 ferro-aluminium  armour and a defensive armament of 2 Large and 4 Medium ER
 lasers this craft is a tougher opponant than its predissesors.It has a
 internal Bomb Bay with a 50 ton capacity and can carry 20 tons of external
 stores on under wing hard points.This can include additional bombs air to
 surface or air to air missiles.
 
 ==Variants:==
 Some of these craft have the bomb bay modified to carry stand-off air to
 surface missiles.Others have seats to carry jump infantry for airborn
 deployment
 
 ==Deployment==
 Most Victors are used by the Air Force with a small number used by the navy to
 support landing opperations.
 
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 Class/Model/Name:  Handley Page Victor 
 Mass:              200 tons
 
 Equipment:                                                              Mass
 Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                           65.00
 Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
       Maximum Thrust: 8
 Structural Integrity: 14                                                14.00
 Total Heat Sinks:    22 Double                                          19.00
 Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                       5.50
 Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                  1.50
 Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
 Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (468 total armor pts)                      23.00
                            Standard Scale Armor Pts
    Location:                            L / R
    Fore:                                156
    Left/Right Wings:                 117/117
    Aft:                                  78
 
 Cargo:
    Bay 1:  Bomb Bay (1)                                                 50.00
 
 
 Crew and Passengers:
       3 Crew (3 minimum)                                                 6.00
       1 New Crew/Passenger Type                                          2.00
 Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 ER Medium Laser          Nose         5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Large Laser           RW           8      8      8     --   12      5.00
 1 ER Large Laser           LW           8      8      8     --   12      5.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          RW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          LW(A)        5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 44    200.00
 Tons Left:                                                                .00
 
 Calculated Factors:
 Total Cost:        17,365,100 C-Bills
 Battle Value:      1,733
 Cost per BV:       10,020.25
 Weapon Value:      2,504 (Ratio = 1.44)
 Damage Factors:    SRV = 33;  MRV = 26;  LRV = 4;  ERV = 0
 Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 2,888
                    (1,438 Structure, 850 Life Support, 600 Weapons)
                    Support Points (SP) = 2,364  (82% of MPV)
 BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 12 / 0
                    Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/2,  Overheat: 0
                    Class: DS;  Point Value: 17
 
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					Oafman Draconis Combine Tai-sho
  
 
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								 Posted: 21-Jan-2004 12:34    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								That is an interesting concept.  Especially since there has been a bunch of posts recently about returns to more conventional fighting in the BT universe.  In certain scenarios these bombers could be useful.  They are slow enough that they would need to becareful about getting too close to active mechs, but mechs in repair bays and hardened fortresses would be sitting ducks.
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					Motown Scrapper Clan Ice Hellions Galaxy Commander
  
 
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								 Posted: 21-Jan-2004 23:00    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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 On 2004-01-21 12:34, Oafman wrote:
 That is an interesting concept.  Especially since there has been a bunch of posts recently about returns to more conventional fighting in the BT universe.  In certain scenarios these bombers could be useful.  They are slow enough that they would need to be careful about getting too close to active mechs, but mechs in repair bays and hardened fortresses would be sitting ducks.
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  |   And if you are dropping your load of cluster bombs from 30,000 metres nothing ground based short of arty is going to reach you and with a bomb load like they carry...can you say carpet bombing?   
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					Oafman Draconis Combine Tai-sho
  
 
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								 Posted: 22-Jan-2004 14:01    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								Carpet bombing is great fun.  Nobody is safe.
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					Vagabond Mercenary Mr. Referee
  
 
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								 Posted: 22-Jan-2004 17:26    Post subject: RE: "V" Type Bombers | 
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								thats why i posted a 200ton special tank with a 200ton trailor that crept along. carried 1 barricuda missile launcher that Warships use and 4 or 5 reloads. you positioned it, loaded the launcher and fired it. they were designed as Close Space Defense batteries, that would shoot dropships, warships, and aerofighters entering the atmosphere or in low orbit.
 
 they where fairly cheep and could blow the but off a vessel before it could do anything. several hundred of these could easily repel any amphibious assult and since they were mobile... all the better. working in conjuction with hardened facilities your world was fairly safe.
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