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Old Dog
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 Posted: 21-Feb-2004 12:02 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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Vampire and I go around on the missile thing constantly. A lil' dance we do. 
My take is that they aren't Stingers, but great big ol' bottle rockets. You aim enough vaguely that-a-way and hope something connects. They don't lock on, after all. They just sorta fly and go boom.
There's, what? 120 to a ton? So, they weigh, what? 8 pounds each? That's smaller than a can of Pringles, for goodness sakes.
-- Old Dog, chasin' rockets.
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2004 14:38 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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*Wonders what store Old Dog get's his Pringles from*
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ralgith
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2004 15:22 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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He said they are smaller than a can of pringles, not heavier 
If you take a missile the same size as a can of pringles it will weight more than 8 pounds. Think about it, explosive compounds actually have quite a high desnity, so even a small brick can be heavy. Then add fuel and such, and your looking at a lotta weight in a small package. For instance, look at these pages on the AIM-9 Sidewinder Air-To-Air missile:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-side.html
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/0/75b0842883e0798f8525626e0048ad88?OpenDocument
That missile is much bigger than a pringles can, but it does weight a whopping 186 pounds! If you calculate, based on the length of this missile vs its weight, how long an 8 pouncd missile would be, its only about 5 inches!!! That's way smaller than a pringles can.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2004 06:12 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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Smaller than my hand...... 
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ralgith
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2004 11:03 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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Mine too lol
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Old Dog
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| Posted: 26-Feb-2004 21:01 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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Now you see why I talk about these things being bottlerockets, not missiles.
It's like packing a soda can with propellant and a lil' blasting cap, and shooting them at a target. They're pretty weenie in teh grand scheme of things.
That's why you shoot LOTS of them at once.
-- Old Dog, seducing them away from Vampire!
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ralgith
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| Posted: 26-Feb-2004 21:37 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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On 2004-02-26 21:01, Old Dog wrote:
Now you see why I talk about these things being bottlerockets, not missiles.
It's like packing a soda can with propellant and a lil' blasting cap, and shooting them at a target. They're pretty weenie in teh grand scheme of things.
That's why you shoot LOTS of them at once.
-- Old Dog, seducing them away from Vampire!
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That would be why my favorite fire support mech has 12 LRM-5's, lotta to hit rolls, but get more damage than 3 LRM-20s on average, and same number of missiles.
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Old Dog
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2004 02:15 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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On 2004-02-26 21:37, ralgith wrote:
That would be why my favorite fire support mech has 12 LRM-5's, lotta to hit rolls, but get more damage than 3 LRM-20s on average, and same number of missiles.
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Yeah, but that feels chincy.
Missiles need a tuoch of reworking, so that the weight isn't messed up like this in the future. 12 LRM-5's shouldn't work every bit as good, if not better, than three LR-20's. That's just ... wrong.
-- Old Dog, fixed it, but not everyone agrees.
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js
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2004 03:20 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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Back in 3025 when this stuff was designed it didn't work out as well. Those 12 LRM5's generated 24 heat while the 3 LRM20's only generated 18 heat. That was balancing back in the days before double heat sinks. Nowadays.... well, you can't use the LRM5's to clear minefields - surely that's worth something! 
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ralgith
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2004 11:51 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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grin 
sides all those LRM-5s weigh more than the 3 LRM-20s also. I just like it that way. :CACKLES:
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Old Dog
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| Posted: 29-Feb-2004 02:38 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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On 2004-02-28 11:51, ralgith wrote:
grin
sides all those LRM-5s weigh more than the 3 LRM-20s also. I just like it that way. :CACKLES:
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Hrm.
12 * 2 tons = 24 tons.
3 * 10 tons = 30 tons.
I know that math isn't my strong point, but...
Isn't 24 < 30?
I seem to remember 'The hungry fish always eats the BIGGER fish'...
-- Old Dog. just wondering.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 29-Feb-2004 10:20 Post subject: RE: User Review: Spider SDR-5V |
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oops, sorry, when I looked at the LRM-5 weight I looked at the OS version on accident. You are right. Good catch. And I was looking at clan LRMs just so ya know, IS LRMs 4 LRM-5OS would equal 1 LRM-20 even up, but under clan 4 LRM-5OS weigh 6 tons, and the LRM-20 weighs 5 tons. Oh well, sorry for the mixup.
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