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Karagin
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 Posted: 25-Mar-2002 16:41 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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What is the best ratio for lasers to ACs on a heavy mech?
Is like 3 laser for one AC? Or is more like this:
AC10/2 LL or 4 Medium Lasers?
Any ideas on this?
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chihawk
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 16:44 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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Presuming I had a decent amount of heat sinks I like the AC10/2LL approach.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 16:53 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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So two for one is a good starting point for that class of mech?
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ICER
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 16:54 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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Same here. 2 LL are great for opening up the armor. And the AC10 to look for the crits.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 16:59 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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On 2002-03-25 16:53, Karagin wrote:
So two for one is a good starting point for that class of mech?
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Well, 4LL would be better 
Sometimes it depends on what you are planning on doing with the mech.
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Gangrene
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 17:22 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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Yeah. For urban combat I would definitely prefer the AC20/4ml mech.
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Geldor
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 19:25 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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I'm a fan of the Orion and Perseus, so I like a AC 10/LRM/SRM/2 ML loadout.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2002 20:15 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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Okay here is one take on the idea, the base chassis would be used for other takes:
Type/Model: Do-su DS-5
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Haworth Model B Endo Steel
Power Plant: 350 Magna XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Lexington Ltd. Lifters Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: New Samarkand Royal Standard
Armament:
1 Pontiac 50 Autocannon/10
2 Kajuka Type 2 "Bright Blossom" Medium Lasers
2 Lushann Redbeam Large Lasers
Manufacturer: Kajuka
Location: New Samarkand
Communications System: Johnston Wide Band
Targeting & Tracking System: Nejiru Tracker Model 5000
==Overview:==
The Do-su (Ancient Thai for Dagger) is built on the idea of gain a ratio of engery weapons to one single ballistic weapon.
==Variants:==
There are several variants each trying different numbers of engery weapons to go with one single ballistic weapon to gain the perfect match.
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Type/Model: Do-su DS-5
Mass: 70 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 107 pts Endo Steel 14 3.50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 4 LA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine: 350 XL 12 15.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA 15 .00
Armor Factor: 216 pts Standard 0 13.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 22 32
Center Torso (Rear): 11
L/R Side Torso: 15 22/22
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 8/8
L/R Arm: 11 22/22
L/R Leg: 15 30/30
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Autocannon/10 RA 3 20 9 14.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 RA)
2 Medium Lasers LA 6 2 2.00
1 Large Laser RT 8 2 5.00
1 Large Laser LT 8 2 5.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 5.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 25 70 70.00
Crits & Tons Left: 8 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 16,129,486 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,471
Cost per BV: 10,964.98
Weapon Value: 1,562 / 1,562 (Ratio = 1.06 / 1.06)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 25; MRDmg = 14; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/3
Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/-, Overheat: 1
Class: MH; Point Value: 15
Comments?
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Rosenet
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| Posted: 26-Mar-2002 12:36 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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I like your design a lot. Although I agree with the general statement that the game is too focused on heav and assault mechs I do think there's room for more well designed 5/8 heavies (no, that's not sarcasm).
16 million for a heavy? Seems damned expensive if you're playing a campaign.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 26-Mar-2002 12:56 Post subject: ACs or Lasers... |
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Ifi i had to pay that much, I'd go for a LB-10X or a Guass rifle.
Sir Henry.
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