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Havoc~Ronin
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 Posted: 29-Mar-2004 12:50 Post subject: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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The mathup is back again! I have decided to tackle Star League mechs this time and matched up a heavy against a medium.
The matchup: the Champoin CHP-2N vs. the Wyvern WVE-6N.
Keeping with the two established terrains, open, rolling hills with lights woods map and a city map, which do you think would prevail?
I have my money on the Wyvern in the city, but the Champion in the open. The Wyvern is a jump capable city fighter. Between the jump jets and its weapons, the Wyvern can outfight the Champion in the confines and boulevards and rooftops. The the open, however, the Champions speed will give it the advantage.
This is my humble opnion...what is yours?
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Oafman
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 14:37 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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I would take the Wyvern in any territory. It out ranges the Champion so even in open lands it should be able to do enough damage to bring the armor down to its level by the time they close. When they get close the Wyvern with the jump jets will easilty outmanuever the Champion. If the above is not reason enough, the Wyvern out guns the Champion especially considering that it is 15 tons lighter.
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CJ_Keys
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 15:41 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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I would have to take the Champion myself. As for either of these being Star League Mechs, you would need the CHP-1N Champion and the WVE-5N Wyvern to square off from TRO 2750. I still think though, in thier weakened forms the Champion woudl be the better choice.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 16:30 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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Since he said Star League I'm going to review the 2750 TRO matchup.
In a city I thnk it would be close, the one thing that would tip the balance would be the Wyvern's jumping capablilty. While the Wyvern has better armor and mobility in the city, the champion's weapons are better for the close confines of the city. Both mechs run hot so heat becomes more of a critical issue as the two close.
In the open terrain it again is close with the tipping of the balance being the jumping ability of the Wyvern. The Wyvern can start softneing up the Champion with it's LRM rack. By the time the Wyvern's large laser is in range the Champion's LB-10X has been in range for 3 hexes. If the Wyvern can keep 10 hexes or more away it can win rather easily. However with the Champion's speed of 5-8-0, it could be difficult to keep the large laser in range but the mediums out of range. The Champion has more shots with it's LB-10X than the Wyvern does with it's LRM 10.
Nice matchup, would love to see anyone play test this match up.
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js
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2004 05:31 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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| A toughie. I'd go for the Champion because its weapons are a bit better. True, if the Wyvern can keep it inside large laser range but outside SRM/ML range, it has an advantage, but I think the speed of the Champion ought to balance that. The Champion also has more armor on the torso which is potentially a major advantage (and less on the arms and legs). The Wyvern does, however, have, CASE which might end up being a decisive factor.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2004 06:07 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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I like the Wyverns Jump jets. It give this mech the mobility advantage.
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Havoc~Ronin
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2004 12:09 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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Ok, let me clarify the Star League point. As I have not yet unpacked my 2750 TRO, I used the 3025 reference for this site. If you prefer to use the TRO info, then great. Will it make much of a difference in outcomes...qui sait?
This does bring up a point of timeline inconsistency that causes the rage within to almost break free! Originally, before the copyright problems, the 3025 TRO did not have any Star League mechs (although it could be argued that all mechs were Star League) shown in the original 2750 TRO. The first appearance of some of these mechs is in the 3050 TRO in lowtech versions where Comstar gave Kurita mechs in time for the War of 3039. All this is good. The reader could easily follow the sequence and accept the fact that when the Star League fell, the remaining mechs of the 2750 TRO were in high demand and therefore victims of a couple of centuries of constant warfare.
Now along comes the revised 3025 TRO that needed pages to be filled, so they insert the 3039 Star League mechs. They totally screw up the timeline previously established in manuals, reference books, novels, etc... ARRGGHHHH!
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bandit
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| Posted: 31-Mar-2004 06:27 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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to me is more "pleasant "the champion
x movement and LB,but thxl engine
make me wonder...
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 31-Mar-2004 22:10 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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A very odd match, don't you think? I'd say the Champion takes the prize seven times of ten. It's got better guns and speed, and the difference in armor isn't too much.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 01-Apr-2004 06:36 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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I don't think it's that much. Maybe 50/50. It's more based on mobility. The Wyvern has Jump jets, giving it the better mobility. In most terrains the Wyvern would win.
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AWAD
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| Posted: 23-May-2004 20:42 Post subject: RE: Champion vs. Wyvern |
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Love the choices, i bet no one would rally think of those two in a matchup, heel even fielding them. I am really torn but in the end I think the weight of the Champion will just wear down the Wyvern.
AWAD- Champion with a little tweak is a good mech
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