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ralgith
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 Posted: 06-Jun-2004 14:21 Post subject: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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if you look at these specs:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm
You see that real tanks closely parallel the battletech world. They have less, and heavier components, which is why more weapons and such fit on a battletech tank of a similar weight class. Still, it just goes to show that some things in the battletech universe aren't that far fetched. Who knows, maybe in 20 or 30 years we'll see PPCs and workable Gauss Rifles as common military weapons.
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2004 15:07 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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One thing I liked about Heavy Gear was how the heaviest guns could only be mounted on tanks. The Gears had a lot of advantages anyway, first among them superior mobility.
Can't say what that had to do with the topic, though. 
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2004 17:53 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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On 2004-06-06 14:21, ralgith wrote:
if you look at these specs:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm
You see that real tanks closely parallel the battletech world. They have less, and heavier components, which is why more weapons and such fit on a battletech tank of a similar weight class. Still, it just goes to show that some things in the battletech universe aren't that far fetched. Who knows, maybe in 20 or 30 years we'll see PPCs and workable Gauss Rifles as common military weapons.
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I can't say I see the resemblance. Maybe you didn't notice, but most heavy tanks in Btech have a plethora of different weapons types or have multiple major guns. That does not fit with real world tech at all.
[ This Message was edited by: Gangrene on 2004-06-06 17:54 ]
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2004 11:54 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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I enjoy upgrading modern vehicles to Battletech standards. I could show you all my challenger IV med tank. Its nifty.
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2004 14:14 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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RW Tanks can not take the beating Btech tanks can, they are faster, for treads, have less weapons systems, and are more acurate. Nope can not see it.
AWAD- The Gladius of the Maurians is a sweet one gun + 1 sub system tank
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| Posted: 07-Jun-2004 14:52 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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Currently we could mount more than one weapon on MBTs. The problem is that in the present wars that leaves the tanks vulnerable. In the BT world tanks with a plethora of weapons makes sense. (If a world of building size robots can make sense  )
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 09:52 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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To touch on Oafman's point, There have been a few MBT produced with more than one main weapon. For example, Ukraine upgraded their production of the T-80 with a twin 50mm (?) side barrets to be used against light armor and helicopters. Some would say this is a secondary weapon system, however, the design specified that it is a co-primary system.
Plus it looked cool at the trade show. The Ukrainians put on a great demonstration.
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 12:02 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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I am sure at some point more testing will be done on tanks like that. Besides, technically tanks have always had multiple weapons on them. How many main battle tanks have also had a .50 cal MG in the body and/or in the turret? I would assume that as soon as we have feasible laser weapons that can be used in combat MBTs will have a main cannon plus the lasers plus the MG.
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 14:22 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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The missile/main gun has already been tried as early as WW2 with the Screaming Mimmie (Sherman with 2 rows of rockets bracketed on the rear of the tank. The Soviets tried the same idea with the KV-1 in '43-44.
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 14:40 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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That would be interesting to try again, now that our rockets/missles have much better aim then those WWII models. I think the Germans had something like that as well. Fired off like 200 rockets in one shot. Great for "shock and awe." Useless for actually destroying thing.
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 20:19 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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Actualy there were a number of multi turreted tanks. The Soviet T-35 and T-28
As well as Tanks with large guns mounted both in their turrets and their hulls British A22 Churchill , US M3 medium, French Char B1
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| Posted: 08-Jun-2004 23:19 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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The only thing you can be certain of is that multiple guns means more types of ammo you can run out of. 
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| Posted: 09-Jun-2004 05:52 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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to me the real reason modern tanks don't mount multiple guns is do to the fact that armor technology requires a larger and heavier gun. i recall the M3 being a poor design because its turret cannon couldn't penitrat german armor and the larger hull gun was difficult to fire.
in BT armor technology has pretty much nullified pure penitration of the hull and thus requires multiple weapons in order to "flak" away the armor. gone are hug weapons with the ability to kill in 1 hit and enter the mobile fortress.
even thou this is true. it is obvious that the Patton and Rommel are blantent conversions of the M1. even with a LRM or what added.
i wonder if BT would be any fun if you had 15t cannons firing SABOTS that kill a tank or mech in one hit. Vampire's AP Rules are interesting and fun, yet even they fall short of converting FASA physics to RL. maybe it is immpossible or just plain stupid, but it would be an interesting thing to see.
note: i still say BT needs a true 2nd Edition not just a revision.
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| Posted: 09-Jun-2004 09:37 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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You notice though, that these multi-turreted tanks were from the flawed school of thought of the '20's and '30's that land battleships would work. They did make impressive parade tanks.
The problem with a tank's main gun being placed in the hull meant that the tank had to be facing it opponent and inevitably would make a huge silhouette. The turret weapons were always of a smaller caliber and therefore not as effective against well armored opponents. The Char B1-bis was probably the best one of these hull mounted main gun, with its 60mm of armor and a 45mm (turret) and 75mm hull cannons. Its flaw was a single man turret, huge production costs and bad tactical and strategic deployment.
I do digress. This a more historical than BT piece.
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| Posted: 09-Jun-2004 10:55 Post subject: RE: Interesting comparisons of B-Tech vs RW Tanks... |
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In the current military philosophy there is not a need for different guns because we have several rounds that fire from the same caliber gun. The ability to fire several different types of rounds right after each other gives the versatilty required in todays tactical landscape. For now that gets rid of the need for more than 1 main gun. This will most likely change as new technology comes out.
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