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Erenon
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Hi, i'm trying to work out a level one design, 80 tons, called the Butcher. Nothing fancy, just want it to kill things in the most brutal manner possible.
I've posted my prototype below and i hope to get some feedback on how to improve it.
80 tonner
3/5
17 heat sinks
14.5 tons of armour
PPC
LRM-10 (2 tons of ammo)
AC/20 (2 tons of ammo)
3 MLs
Cheers!
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Warhammer: 3025
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2005 21:38 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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Here's what I got after some tweaking. It sacrifices the AC/20 for an AC/10 with 20 rounds, a maximum armor load, and an extra heat sink.
Type/Model: Butcher
Mass: 80 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 122 pts Standard 0 8.00
Engine: 240 Fusion 6 11.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 18 Single 9 8.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 9 Undist)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA 15 .00
Armor Factor: 247 pts Standard 0 15.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 25 35
Center Torso (Rear): 15
L/R Side Torso: 17 24/24
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 13 26/26
L/R Leg: 17 34/34
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Autocannon/10 RA 3 20 9 14.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
2 Medium Lasers LA 6 2 2.00
1 PPC LT 10 3 7.00
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00
1 LRM 10 CT 4 24 4 7.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
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TOTALS: 26 58 80.00
Crits & Tons Left: 20 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 6,716,520 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,229
Cost per BV: 5,465.03
Weapon Value: 1,585 / 1,585 (Ratio = 1.29 / 1.29)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 20; MRDmg = 16; LRDmg = 6
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 6/6
Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/1, Overheat: 1
Class: MA; Point Value: 12
[ This Message was edited by: Warhammer: 3025 on 2005-02-22 21:41 ]
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Erenon
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2005 21:47 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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I considered something similar as well (though i added 2 medium lasers instead..) but somehow IMHO the AC/20 was scarier.
Anyone else thinks i should go AC/10 instead? Or any other ideas?
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Warhammer: 3025
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2005 21:51 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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I also think it's too slow. Although I couldn't do anything about that while maintaining the same scale of firepower.
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StarRaven
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2005 22:01 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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I just dropped a heat sink for a ton of armor. Everything else seemed pretty good, actually. I much pefer the AC/20 to the AC/10. I initially considered dropping a ton of LRM ammo, but decided that more than one ton might come in handy, since it is rather slow.
Butcher
Chassis: Unknown
Power Plant: Unknown 240
Cruising Speed: 32.25
Maximum Speed: 53.75
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: Unknown
Armament:
1 PPC
3 Medium Lasers
1 Autocannon/20
1 LRM 10
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Butcher
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 1
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: 8
Engine: 240 11.5
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 16 6
Gyro: 3
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 247 15.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 25 38
Center Torso(rear) 12
R/L Torso 17 26
R/L Torso(rear) 8
R/L Arm 13 26
R/L Leg 17 34
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Medium Laser LA 1 1
LRM 10 Ammo LT 2 2
Medium Laser LT 1 1
Autocannon/20 RT 10 14
Autocannon/20 Ammo RT 2 2
PPC RA 3 7
LRM 10 CT 2 5
Medium Laser H 1 1
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Erenon
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| Posted: 22-Feb-2005 23:46 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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On 2005-02-22 21:51, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
I also think it's too slow. Although I couldn't do anything about that while maintaining the same scale of firepower.
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That was intentional.. the butcher isn't very fast.. its also supposed to have speakers that blare out "Fresh Meat!"
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bladewind
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 00:15 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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yes !! "Fresssh Meattt !"
now only if we can add a hatchet 
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Erenon
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 00:16 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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On 2005-02-23 00:15, bladewind wrote:
yes !! "Fresssh Meattt !"
now only if we can add a hatchet
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Damn i knew i forgot something....
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bladewind
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 00:27 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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sigh
diablo 1, many fond youthful memories
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jymset
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 03:03 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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Don't forget that this one (excellent work, Erenon!) mounts one more ton of armour than a Stalker already. Out of TRO: 3025, only the Awesome, Banshee and Atlas carry more, the Battlemaster is equal.
A PPC and LRM-10 is scary enough in those days, and closing will only make anyone's day miserable.
I would keep the HS. It's nice to be able to move and fire all short-range weaponry without overheating. A great luxury in that era!
I think the LRM ammo may be excessive. In that era, most 'mechs will close to some extent, long-range weapons are not that prominent. But I would not use it for armour. If anything, I'd go for another ton of AC ammo.
Thanks for that! It's refreshing to get some 'new' 3025 designs that are actually not just the usual & done thing and are effective at the same time!
So, my opinion: leave it as originally posted by Erenon!
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Oafman
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 10:56 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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I would keep the AC20, PPC LRM combo. I like that. For keeping with the eras other monsters make sure and put at least one of those M lasers in the rear. A beast that slow will get some back action from brave/stupid lighter mechs. Stick this with an Archer at its side and you have a formidable combo. This Butcher would also be good if you could afford 2 assaults. Imagine an Atlas standing next to this thing. squish squish squish
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Erenon
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 21:57 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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Thank you all for your feedback.
If no one else offers any suggestions, i'll post the design as is (save for moving one Medium laser to the rear.. sound advice there Oafman) within a day.
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2005 10:17 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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I know I am probably in the minority, but I love the med lasers in the back of my Atlas and Archer. I have played too many games where those saved my hide because a stupid little light overran my hilltop LRM position. REally ticks people off when they get behind you in a locust only to get hammered by 4 med lasers.
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Erenon
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 00:12 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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OK. Design posted. Hope it shows up soon.
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jymset
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 02:46 Post subject: RE: The Butcher |
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Let us know when. I would love to review it!
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