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Karl Hendricks
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 Posted: 23-Feb-2005 18:19 Post subject: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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To start this contest of tankers we'll start of with a light pair we all know off, the Chevalier and the Hunter.
The Chevalier packs a large laser backed up by a pair of SSRM 2.it has a max speed of 97 KPH, and has more armor than it's opponent.
The Hunter is a rnged tank packing a LRM 20 rack and a flamer, with a speed of 86KPH, with less armor than the Chevalier.
I personally prefer the Chevalier.
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bladewind
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 18:53 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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if depends on the terran but the Chevaliar with its superior speed and streak 2s will make short work of the hunter.
the hunter has to rely on its range but consider the Chevaliar will move so fast, it loses the advantage quickly.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 23-Feb-2005 20:01 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Not much of a contest really. ONe tank is faster, has thicker armor, no minimums, and has better short to medium ranged weaponry. The other is slower, armored lighter, and has a weapon system that has a horrible minumum and a secondary that is not very useful against a faster foe who has no need to get within it's range.
On a side note: Karl, perhaps if you posted match-ups that featured vehicles/mechs/BA, etc... that would at least leave room for a debate on the potential for wins against each other, you'd get a longer reply string. As it stands this is like asking which would win against the other: ARC-2R Archer or VLK-QA Valkyrie.
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2005 00:27 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Right, I am warping this contest. Do I care? NO!
I have cast a firm vote for the Hunter. Yes, it would get absolutely caned in this one-on-one. But I'd still use the Hunter everytime I'd field tanks. For several reasons:
1) I don't duel with tanks. I don't even use exclusive tank forces. Yes, back when I had a regular gaming group, I did use tanks more often than the rest. But even then, only in conjuction with 'mech forces.
2) The Hunter is lvl1. I love lvl1 games!
3) As support, the Hunter is unbeatable! In fact, it is probably one of my most often-used tank!!!
4) Why would I even look at ComStar trash......? 
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Oafman
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2005 10:13 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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I would go for the Hunter except for one thing. It is meant to be a support vehicle. It is dismally slow, easily killed when you get close to it. Great tank, but not something that I would duel with.
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| Posted: 24-Feb-2005 20:27 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Plus the Cheveliar is an Amphib if I remember.
But as to echo, need to choose more even battles. Veddette v Hunter is intresting, or Ontos V Demolisher, even Warrior VTOL v Calvary VTOL.
Keep trying, we want debate.
But as a cheap, in cost and support, a lance of Hunters can devestate. Try this, lance, Veddette, lance, Hunters, lance, Galleons, 5/8 moving strike force that can hammer a heavy mech lance.
AWAD- Love the Veddette
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 02:39 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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On 2005-02-24 10:13, Oafman wrote:
I would go for the Hunter except for one thing. [snip] It is dismally slow, easily killed when you get close to it.
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You are thinking the "upgraded" Hunter from TRO:3058. I do not like that one at all. The old Hunter from 3026 moved at 5/8 speed. It is such a COOL tank for lvl1 games: moves at above-average speeds and has extremely heavy firepower for a 35-tonner. Great support, yes I agree. Always totally worth it!
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Seraph
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 14:22 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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On 2005-02-25 02:39, jymset wrote:
You are thinking the "upgraded" Hunter from TRO:3058. I do not like that one at all. The old Hunter from 3026 moved at 5/8 speed. It is such a COOL tank for lvl1 games: moves at above-average speeds and has extremely heavy firepower for a 35-tonner. Great support, yes I agree. Always totally worth it!
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Extremely heavy firepower for a 35 tonner???
It mounts an LRM 20 and a rear facing flamer. Where's the extreme firepower?
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 16:39 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Yeah a Jenner does 28 if all med lasers hit. PLUS the SRMs.
Still though the Hunter is cheap and very effective when used properly.
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 19:16 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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But a Jenner is a mech. My post was for tanks. For it's speed it could mount a better weapons array if it wasn't a support tank.
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| Posted: 25-Feb-2005 22:59 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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| if they drop the flamer for a medium it might have being better imo. At least u dont have to fight at 3 range if someone gets withnin the LRM min range.
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 11:29 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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On 2005-02-25 14:22, Seraph wrote:
Extremely heavy firepower for a 35 tonner???
It mounts an LRM 20 and a rear facing flamer. Where's the extreme firepower?
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WTF?????? 
Which universe do you play your lvl1 games in?
In mine, the standard medium tank, the Vedette mounts an AC5 and a MG.
One the most modern heavy tank, the Patton mounts an AC10 and some pop guns.
Another modern heavy tank, the Sturmfeur, weighing in at 85 tons, only deploys 2 LRM20s!
They can't all be Shreks, Demolishers, Ontoses or Manticores......
I stand by it: considering its weight and speed, the Hunter is very heavily armed. And considering the tank's typical role, that of battlefield *support* to 'mech warfare, it is basically the best thing anyone would want to field.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 22:49 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Sorry jymset, but one LRM 20 does not constitute EXTREME firepower in any tech level. I play level 1 mostly, with a spattering of level 2. Let's see... hmm...
Harasser has 2 SRM-6's.
Pegasus has 2 SRM-6's and a medium laser.
Condor has 3 medium lasers AC/5 and a MG.
Drillson has large laser, LRM-10, 2 SRM-2's and 2 MG's.
Bulldog has large laser, 2 SRM-4's and a MG.
SRM carrier has 10 SRM-6'S.
LRM carrier has 3 LRM-20'S.
Monitor has 2 AC/20's and 3 SRM-2's.
Rommel has AC/20, LRM-5 and a flamer.
Von Luckner has AC/20, LRM-10, 2 SRM-6's and an SRM-4.
Those are all levl 1 tanks that have higher damage potentials than the Hunter. I didn't list the ones you mentioned though. Just one LRM-20 isn't a devastating weapon system. It is powerful, yes. But not Extreme. For LRM's the LRM carrier would be extrteme or the Salamander would count as well. Both carry 3 LRM-20 launchers.
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2005 03:54 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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Hey, you gotta remember that we are talking about a 35-ton tracked tank here. Which moves at 5/8 and makes a point of not giving up all armour for weapons. It is actually a very well-rounded design.
Please, PLEASE show me *any* lvl1 'mech that carries similar weaponry (effectively 13 tons) while retaining that amount of armour and speed. No, there simply isn't any light 'mech that will be at all similar in performance or power, for that matter!
Now, yes, I know I started it, by bringing heavier designs into it. My point is: there are plenty of heavier designs that do NOT carry more firepower. Of course, I could always compare a Banshee-S with a Valkyrie, but it wouldn't be constructive.
The examples you give: please, the Harasser dies if you look at it....
The Pegasus, well, that one is a strong one. A very strong one. But, all its firepower is of the short-range type. Even with its speed, when closing it becomes vulnerable. And I still consider the LRM at least as dangerous.
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| Posted: 01-Mar-2005 07:49 Post subject: RE: Head to Head Tank Battles I! |
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On 2005-03-01 03:54, jymset wrote:
The Pegasus, well, that one is a strong one. A very strong one. But, all its firepower is of the short-range type. Even with its speed, when closing it becomes vulnerable. And I still consider the LRM at least as dangerous.
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Indirect LRM fire is always an option. You don't have to go where the enemy sees you, or can get without blundering into your hidden infantry.
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