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Draconis Combine
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This is a scenario I've designed based on the battle of Xhosha VII described in the 3025 TRO, under the Blackjack. In this battle Ravannion's Horde attacks and attempts to overwhelm an understrength unit of Draconis March militia consisting mostly of Blackjacks and Locusts on the icy flats of Xhosha. According to the TRO the Blackjacks decimated the numerically superior but lighter force of Wasps and Stingers thrown at them by Ravannion.
For maps I use the two open terrain maps, the city ruins map (no buildings), and the lake are map.
Forces are as follows:
Draconis March Militia
Captain Michael Ubodo 3/4: Blackjack BJ-1
Mechwarrior 4/5 Blackjack BJ-1 x3
Mechwarrior 4/5 Dervish DV-6M
Mechwarrior 4/5 Locust LCT-1V X3
Ravannion's Horde
Mechwarrior 4/5 Wasp WSP-1A x5
Mechwarrior 4/5 Wasp WSP-1K x2
Mechwarrior 4/5 Wasp WSP-1L
Mechwarrior 4/5 Wasp WSP-1D
Mechwarrior 4/5 Stinger STG-3R x3
Victory conditions are simple; the last side with operating 'mechs wins the fight.
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Wanallo
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 11:45 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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I will have to say that the Combine has a serious advantage in wieght. The horde has to rey on its speed or be taken down, there is little cover. however.
Saying that, heat could be a major factor in deciding this battle. I think the blackjacks will be the deciding factor; wether they are used well or not
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 12:51 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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| The Davion forces definitly have a lot more firepower. And Wasps aren't really that much faster than Blackjacks or Dervishes. The Wasps will have to get close with their weapons and the terrian is so open, they will be getting fired on most of the turns.
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mud
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 19:30 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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I ran the scenario against the bot in megamek, playing the DMM, but the bot couldn't really handle horde tactics; the Stingers and Wasps clumped together around the closest bunch of woods, and let the Blackjacks and Dervish ping them to death all day with their AC/2s. I didn't even commit the Locusts to the fight as few of Ravinnion's 'mechs even came within medium laser or SRM range of my medium 'mechs.
Next time I run it I'll take the Horde myself.
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chihawk
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 19:49 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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Hardware ran a scenario at TotalCon this weekend that was a company of Stingers and Wasps against an Atlas 7K...I was piloting 4 Stingers and 2 Wasps...didn't lose a unit and killed the Atlas.
If you know how to do it killing mechs with 20 tonners is easy.
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Motown Scrapper
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 21:41 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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To properly duplicate Revannions Horde tactics (I am familier with his fluff stories) You should give him two full lances,That would make the weights match about right too.
Oops just looked a little more closely at the post ...missed the x # first time around...Carry on
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Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 27-Feb-2005 22:04 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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I just ran the battle from the Horde's point of view, and got torn apart by the Davion 'mechs. I managed to take down their Captain's Blackjack by getting behind it, breaching it's rear torso and setting off it's ammo, but that was the limit of my luck. I quit when I only had five mauled Wasps left.
I'll have to experiment with increasing the Wasps to a tonnage parity with the Davion forces. BV is virtually useless for this sort of thing.
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 07:08 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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On 2005-02-27 22:04, mud wrote:
I just ran the battle from the Horde's point of view, and got torn apart by the Davion 'mechs. I managed to take down their Captain's Blackjack by getting behind it, breaching it's rear torso and setting off it's ammo, but that was the limit of my luck. I quit when I only had five mauled Wasps left.
I'll have to experiment with increasing the Wasps to a tonnage parity with the Davion forces. BV is virtually useless for this sort of thing.
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Pick a Davion mech and run or jump 6 light around it...have all of them kick.
Rinse and repeat until destroyed.
Next target.
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 07:13 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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On 2005-02-28 07:08, chihawk wrote:
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On 2005-02-27 22:04, mud wrote:
I just ran the battle from the Horde's point of view, and got torn apart by the Davion 'mechs. I managed to take down their Captain's Blackjack by getting behind it, breaching it's rear torso and setting off it's ammo, but that was the limit of my luck. I quit when I only had five mauled Wasps left.
I'll have to experiment with increasing the Wasps to a tonnage parity with the Davion forces. BV is virtually useless for this sort of thing.
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Pick a Davion mech and run or jump 6 light around it...have all of them kick.
Rinse and repeat until destroyed.
Next target.
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Now that's just blatant manipulation of the rules. You should be ashamed of yourself. 
[ This Message was edited by: Warhammer: 3025 on 2005-02-28 07:14 ]
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 09:40 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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Okay if you use the fluff of icy plains, to me this means snow and ice and all the fun of moving around in the winter.
So the speed advantage of the Horde is cut down a lot if you use the weather rules for ice and other winter effects. Thus this would give the Combine a chance to rip in to the Horde and do some damage before they can respond. Now with the basic skills and any of the weather rules being used I would expect to see the lights moving slow as to avoid falls and skids thus keeping things around 4 for a walk to avoid any pitfalls.
If this is played with out the weather being a factor then the lights have a lot of advantages and I really don't see the Blackjacks taking them down without a lucky hit.
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 10:33 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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On 2005-02-28 07:13, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
Now that's just blatant manipulation of the rules. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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No it's not.
Kicks localize the damage done to the legs, meaning you'll be able to knock the mech over by removing the armor and getting crits.
The fact the Atlas had to make pilot checks for every kick was just a bonus. 
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 16:12 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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On 2005-02-28 07:08, chihawk wrote:
Pick a Davion mech and run or jump 6 light around it...have all of them kick.
Rinse and repeat until destroyed.
Next target.
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But the Davion mechs will probably be able to get over in time to kick the Wasps. The defenders will probably stay in jumping range of eachother.
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 16:26 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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On 2005-02-28 10:33, chihawk wrote:
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On 2005-02-28 07:13, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
Now that's just blatant manipulation of the rules. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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No it's not.
Kicks localize the damage done to the legs, meaning you'll be able to knock the mech over by removing the armor and getting crits.
The fact the Atlas had to make pilot checks for every kick was just a bonus.
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Yes it is. It's the same thing as if I'd loaded up a 20-tonner with machine gun ammo, then charged the enemy and self-destructed; or loaded it with Pulse Lasers and a Targeting Computer. It's manipulation of the rules to give an almost unfair advantage.
Noobs passing judgement on veterans...what will they think of next? 
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 17:04 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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| I don't see how mass kicking is against the spirit of the rules. Its one of the best ways for jumping lights to do damage.
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mud
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 28-Feb-2005 17:08 Post subject: RE: Battle of Xhosha VII |
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I tried that...when you're engaging multiple targets, the others tear into the rear of your Stingers and Wasps while you're clustered around one or the other. So while you're clustered around one Blackjack, the others are tearing you up. The math doesn't quite work out in the Stinger's favor.
It does work quite nicely around a single assault 'mech though...I ran a similar scenario with a Highlander vs. a bunch of 20 and 25 tonners....got the same result you did with your Atlas.
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