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Warner
Clan Nova Cat
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 Posted: 12-May-2002 22:16 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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To Cadet and Vampire,
Regardless of what you both may think about me, hate me or desire to see my dead is meaningless because I had a hand in bringing you all to this point. And for that I do apologize. I apologize for the harsh and bitter words I used in reaction to you both in the past, was wrong none the less. I don't hold any thing against you both. I've had to work through my own pride and stupidity to see that I am part of the problem too. And with the change in my life that has happened, I am compelled to do this. So I am coming to you both and doing what is right. And that is to seek your forgiveness.
I personally went out of my way to say things that were unchristian like and I was wrong. We all were once cordial and friendly but now things aren't right and I want to right them. And I hate that we've ended up where we are at.
You can call my actions here as 'clearing my conscious' when in reality it has been something eating at me for a long time now. And I had to do this to clear my heart to know that I had to go to some that I've wronged because of my pride and ignorance. Though I cannot turn back time but I can attempt to atone for my wrongs against you both.
I would like to end the animosity between us if you both would find it in your heart to forgive me. If you chose not to I will not hold it against either of you as I will understand. I do hope though that some how you will find it in your hearts to forgive me for wronging you both.
In his name,
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ClassicBattleTech.com
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[ This Message was edited by: Warner on 2002-05-12 22:18 ]
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Warner Doles
"Who am I? I am the right hand of fiat, tormentor of souls, death incarnate, and the last living writer you will ever see. Randall sent me."
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Cadet
ComStar
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Joined: 17-Mar-2002 00:00
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| Posted: 13-May-2002 04:17 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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I can't speak for Vampire so I'm not even going to try.
I do appreciate your apology, honestly. I don't hate you, I don't even hate Camille or Nadin, although I won't have anything to do with them. It was a hard lesson for me to learn, but I will never again underestimate how far some people will go to f*!k over someone else because of an internet argument.
I'm not saying I'm innocent or totally blameless in any of this, but a lot of the problems you have with me and other people is of your own doing. You take everything said as a personal attack and you blow stuff way out of proportion. You are abrasive and have a tendency to browbeat everyone into submission so you are right. You just fly off the handle at the slightest perceived slight, and it is not fun to be around.
I know I'm a rude, crude, vile little man, but I also know that none of this matters to me. None of the internet stuff matters at all. But as much as you claim none of it matters for you because it isn't your real life or family, I just don't see that. I still see you getting uptight over every comment and having to be overly dramatic and the victim all the time on CBT. And it's why people complain.
I'm honestly hoping you aren't taking this as a personal attack or insult, but I think a lot of it needed to be said. And I honestly think you need to calm down and let stuff slide. This is suppossed to be fun and I don't see how it can be for you. I know putting up the CBT website was a labor of love for you, but you can't even enter into the debates over there because of all of this and because of the people that you have upset.
I really don't want you to take any of what I've said as an insult or attack, because it really isn't meant in that light. And it isn't like I exist only to critisize you, but I do think you need to know why a lot of people, myself included, have a hard time dealing with you. Call it ego or pride or whatever, but it is a factor for all involved.
And I was out of line to post the stuff I did in my profile at CBT (I can only assume that is why I was banned since I have never received an answer to my emails on that subject) and would like to say sorry for going over there to muck up that site.
At any rate, dont worry about anything. It's all cool. I do appreciate your apology and hope you will accept mine and hope you aren't too offended by the above post.
Just remember, the internet is for fun and if it isn't try and take it easy. And I don't harbor any ill will toward you.
[ This Message was edited by: Cadet on 2002-05-13 15:53 ]
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Vampire
Free Worlds League
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Joined: 05-Feb-2002 00:00
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Location: Spain
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| Posted: 13-May-2002 07:54 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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Well, I was very surprised when I saw this,
"Warner who?" and then when I realized who you were, I was VERY PLEASANTLY surprised 
I have waited a while to respond, waiting for
Cadet to say the things that need to be said thus saving me work
Honestly, you don't need to ask for my forgiveness or issue an apology. Why? Because it's all forgotten on my part. I'm not a resentful person, once I've burned down my anger I'm done with it.
Sincerely I couldn't care less for whatever happened in the past, no grudges, no ill feelings. I see the futility of petty internet squabbles, I save my hate and my deathwishes for the people that truly deserve it, like those that chant on the streets supporting terrorists, and I'm not talking about the Middle East, I mean in my *own* country.
I had forgotten all about it, and appreciated your work at your Classic Battletech site.
What I'm trying to say, it's that you don't need to make peace with me, but with *yourself*. If it makes you feel better, take my forgiveness for granted, and for all that's worth, my apology for letting my temper act me like an asshole sometimes.
And if Camille Klein is lurking around, I extend my apologies to her of them. I believe living is enough of a punishment for most people that it would be pointless for me to add to their misery 
So, for the cynics out there, I'm not doing this only out of being a good Christian (something I have never been accused of ) but my belief in the wise ways of nature and the law of conservation of energy. It's just not worth the effort to scream in rage to a viewscreen.
I think that by changing, the one you are doing the most good is yourself.
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
Galaxy Commander
Joined: 04-Feb-2002 00:00
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Location: United States
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| Posted: 13-May-2002 08:19 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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GROUP HUG!
Raven, waiting to get smacked for that one
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Warner
Clan Nova Cat
Oathmaster
Joined: 04-Feb-2002 00:00
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| Posted: 13-May-2002 10:18 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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| On 2002-05-13 04:17, Cadet wrote:
I do appreciate your apology, honestly. |
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Thank you I do appreciate it.
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| I'm not saying I'm innocent or totally blameless in any of this, but a lot of the problems you have with me and other people is of your own doing. |
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Yes I did and it was my pride that didn't allow me to see it for what it was.
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| You take everything said as a personal attack and you blow stuff way out of proportion. |
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Yeah I did to a point. I guess it was the case of not reading what was written but reading and acting on what I thought was said.
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| You are abrasive and have a tendency to browbeat everyone into submission so you are right. |
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As I told Karagin on the phone the other night when I learned to debate from my group we had to do it from a position of fully supported by facts and you didn't spout off something thinking you could get it past them without them calling you on it and then you had to defend your position as well as we would in turn attack the position. And they were long winded. So yeah I can see how you would think that in the times I've gotten into long written replies or things that I would hit back hard on could be viewed as you say. Abrasive. Yeah I can be. I've never been one to beat around the bush. I hate being politically correct in speaking to people. I learned growing up that you told people the truth not what they wanted to hear.
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| You just fly off the handle at the slightest perceived slight, and it is not fun to be around. |
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Yes I can be very defensive and I 'preceive' a slight against things I hold dear 'Integrity, Character' those things. I've really worked hard to correct myself in my reaction to those in view them in a different light.
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| But as much as you claim none of it matters for you because it isn't your real life or family, I just don't see that. I still see you getting uptight over every comment and having to be overly dramatic and the victim all the time on CBT. And it's why people complain. |
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Actually what you are viewing is my passion, zeal and most import, my loyalty for what I do. So I will act in a manner to defend it. As I do with my friends. Mad? Naw because I can't afford to get mad. My passion for what I do drives me and when I reply to someone that passion isn't necessarily communicated properly. If you and I were talking face to face then you would see that. I think Karagin found that out when he and I talked about a few subjects that heated debates had brewed up between us. But I am doing my best now to temper my replies so that I will not give that apparence anymore.
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| I'm honestly hoping you aren't taking this as a personal attack or insult, but I think a lot of it needed to be said. And I honestly think you need to calm down and let stuff slide. This is suppossed to be fun and I don't see how it can be for you. |
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No not at all, I fully expected to be blasted. I new once I did this I opened myself up to either a rebuke or just what you did. And I do appreciate it.
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| I know putting up the CBT website was a labor of love for you, but you can't even enter into the debates over there because of all of this and because of the people that you have upset. |
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Yeah it was a labor alright! And Yeah I've had to quit posting because many people were looking to twist my words into something that wasn't truthful and go out of their way to cause problems. And yeah I no I brought some of it on myself. And in realizing that I've gone forth to correct those issues by humbling myself and admitting I'd been a schmuck.
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| I really don't want you to take any of what I've said as an insult or attack, because it really isn't meant in that light. And it isn't like I exist only to critisize you, but I do think you need to know why a lot of people, myself included, have a hard time dealing with you. Call it ego or pride or whatever, but it is a factor for all involved. |
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None taken. It has been most helpful to look up and see what I'd been thinking myself. And though I am a graduate of the school of hard knocks, I do learn from my mistakes and blatant stupidity too!
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| And I was out of line to post the stuff I did in my profile at CBT (I can only assume that is why I was banned since I have never received an answer to my emails on that subject) and would like to say sorry for going over there to muck up that site. |
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This I do appreciate. And I think the anomisty from us both influenced us. I'll talk with Peter Smith (who runs the board now) and see we can do about that ban.
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| At any rate, dont worry about anything. It's all cool. I do appreciate your apology and hope you will accept mine and hope you aren't too offended by the above post. |
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I thank you and I do accept your apology. Thanks for accepting mine.
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Just remember, the internet is for fun and if it isn't try and take it easy. And I don't harbor any ill will toward you.
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My daughters have taught me that! And thanks I am glad to hear that.
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As always, enjoy!
Warner Doles
"Who am I? I am the right hand of fiat, tormentor of souls, death incarnate, and the last living writer you will ever see. Randall sent me."
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Warner
Clan Nova Cat
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| Posted: 13-May-2002 10:30 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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On 2002-05-13 07:54, Vampire wrote:
Well, I was very surprised when I saw this,
"Warner who?" and then when I realized who you were, I was VERY PLEASANTLY surprised
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Yes I can see that. I'm just a non-discript balding short but losing weight fat man! 
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| Honestly, you don't need to ask for my forgiveness or issue an apology. Why? Because it's all forgotten on my part. I'm not a resentful person, once I've burned down my anger I'm done with it. |
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Normally I am not, but I did hold some animosity towards you and Cadet and that isn't right. I hadn't forgotten and yeah it was eating at me.
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| Sincerely I couldn't care less for whatever happened in the past, no grudges, no ill feelings. I see the futility of petty internet squabbles, I save my hate and my deathwishes for the people that truly deserve it, like those that chant on the streets supporting terrorists, and I'm not talking about the Middle East, I mean in my *own* country. |
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My granddad told me that our past forms our future and to make darn sure that what you do in the present doesn't cause the past to come back and hurt your future. In this case, I am being proactive as well as clearing my heart of things that I shouldn't be holding.
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| I had forgotten all about it, and appreciated your work at your Classic Battletech site. |
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Thank you. It means much to me coming from someone who has a critical eye for detail as you do. (Mr bullet man! )
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| What I'm trying to say, it's that you don't need to make peace with me, but with *yourself*. If it makes you feel better, take my forgiveness for granted, and for all that's worth, my apology for letting my temper act me like an asshole sometimes. |
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Yes you are correct. I had to make peace with myself, in order to do so I had to make peace with you. And one thing I don't want to assume is that I would automatically have it. And we both have our tempers and I know sometimes it gets in my way of reasoning and accting proper.
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| And if Camille Klein is lurking around, I extend my apologies to her of them. I believe living is enough of a punishment for most people that it would be pointless for me to add to their misery |
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We'll have to see.
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| So, for the cynics out there, I'm not doing this only out of being a good Christian (something I have never been accused of ) but my belief in the wise ways of nature and the law of conservation of energy. It's just not worth the effort to scream in rage to a viewscreen. |
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Amen brother!
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| I think that by changing, the one you are doing the most good is yourself. |
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Look I'm 41 years old. I am working through 20 plus years of reprogramming myself so I am not so abrasive, obnoxious, bull headed and opinionated. I may fall on my face, but I will be able to get through it with my Lord's help. Besides, having 3 girls to raise will soften the hardest headed butthead.
Thanks Vampire for accepting my apology and clearing the air with me.
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Warner Doles
ClassicBattleTech.com
admin@classicbattletech.com
[ This Message was edited by: Warner on 2002-05-13 10:32 ]
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As always, enjoy!
Warner Doles
"Who am I? I am the right hand of fiat, tormentor of souls, death incarnate, and the last living writer you will ever see. Randall sent me."
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Jade_Dragon
8th Sword of Light
Sho-sho
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| Posted: 14-May-2002 08:50 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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Wow!
And thus the succession wars end.
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Sir Henry
Team Bansai
Senior Tech Specialist
Joined: 04-Feb-2002 00:00
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| Posted: 14-May-2002 12:17 Post subject: A Humble Apology. |
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Dag nab it, Another chance missed....I guess we're stuck with Civil Wars.....
Sir Henry
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A Dragon in the disguise of a bunny, is still a Dragon.
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