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Kalo Osis
Clan Ice Hellions
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 Posted: 11-Sep-2006 15:48 Post subject: Veloceraptor |
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Before reading on, I would like to point out that I discovered this design on a website and I am in no way trying to take credit for either it, or the picture. I simply want some veteran opinion on the design.
Veloceraptor
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 275 XL
Cruising Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
21 tons of pod space
Manufacturer(s):
Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Clan Snow Raven, after loosing a cache of battlemechs to
Clan Hell's Horse's elementals, designed and
manufactured the Veloceraptor. Designed for
anti-elemental combat, the Veloceraptor remains a
formidable all purpose mech.
Capabilities:
The Veloceraptor has two main variants one designed for
close range combat and the other for long range combat.
Both variants remain moderately ammo dependant. The
Snow Raven's fondness for aerospace technology is
obvious, as all variants come with state of the art jump
jets. What makes this mech so unusual and what gives it
its name are the dual large ER lasers on the legs of the
mech. Used in both variants the large ER lasers are
placed on the legs inside specialized weapon pods with
independently moving actuators for stability. The
placement of the lasers provide better targeting against
elementals. The Veloceraptors speed and jump jet
maneuverability allow it to stay out of harms way in the
face of overwhelming elemental attacks, while the mech's
8 machine guns can deal serious damage when forced
into close range combat. The Primary variant carries twin
Streak SRM 6 launchers which augment the close range
firepower of its 8 machine guns, while the Alt A variant
sports twin LRM 15 launchers in place of the Streak SRM
6's. While not much separates the two variants, given the
Snow Raven's immense aerospace budget the production
of such an advanced mech proves the intellect of their
scientist caste.
Deployment:
While this mech has yet to seen action in the inner sphere
there have been rumors of these mechs being used in real
combat in clan space.
Type: Veloceraptor
Technology Base: Clan Custom
Tonnage: 55
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: ES 3.0
Engine: 275 XL 8.0
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 16 [32] 6.0
Gyro: 3.0
Cockpit: 3.0
Armor Factor: 182 FF 9.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 26
Center Torso (Rear): 9
R/L Torso: 13 19
R/L Torso (Rear): 6
R/L Arm: 9 18
R/L Leg: 13 26
Fixed Configuration
BV : 678 Cost : 11822305
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Heat Mass
Jump Jet(s) RT 1 0 0.5
Jump Jet(s) LT 1 0 0.5
Jump Jet(s) CT 1 0 0.5
Jump Jet(s) RL 1 0 0.5
Jump Jet(s) LL 1 0 0.5
Primary Configuration
BV : 2341 Cost : 13699742
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Heat Mass
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
ER Medium Laser CT 1 5 1.0
Streak SRM-6 RT 2 4 3.0
Streak SRM-6 LT 2 4 3.0
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT 1 0 1.0
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT 1 0 1.0
@Machine Gun (200) LT 1 0 1.0
ER Large Laser RL 1 12 4.0
ER Large Laser LL 1 12 4.0
Alternate Configuration A
BV : 2304 Cost : 13664867
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Heat Mass
ER Large Laser LL 1 12 4.0
ER Large Laser RL 1 12 4.0
LRM-15 LT 2 5 3.5
LRM-15 RT 2 5 3.5
@LRM-15 (8) RT 1 0 1.0
@LRM-15 (8) LT 1 0 1.0
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun LA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
Machine Gun RA 1 0 0.3
@Machine Gun (200)
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Stinger
The Knights of Chaos
General
Joined: 30-Apr-2002 00:00
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Location: United States
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 01:01 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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Ya know, I am not sure why, but I really DONT like the the weapons load out. There is something about them that bothers me, and it may be the abundance of machine guns. But I like the speed profile, and the name, but just not sure about the weapons load out.
I guess because to me when I do get the chance to play, we rarely ever use elementals or infantry, the few times we have used elementals I just dont remember machine guns being that effective. Granted 8 may be a bit more effective agains the toads.
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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
Tai-i
Joined: 06-Apr-2005 00:00
Posts: 4820
Location: Czech Republic
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 04:53 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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The mech doesn't look bad, but just like Stinger I don't think that I would use this weapons layout.
Primary configuration may be a little better in anti-elemental work thanks to the SRMs, but I can't help myself when seeing the leg mounted lasers and torso mounted missiles, but to wonder what was the designer expecting from the elementals. The elementals are the most likely to use ambushes and attacks from various directions from all clan units, so a limited firing arc (not counting the MGs) hampers the mech. Not to mention that there are no hand actuators that would help to fend off swarming elementals. The leg mounted LLs are also quit weird, since they are direct fire weapons and are mounted low to the ground, so many obstacles may stop them from firing, both in reality and in game.
I would rather repod a Stormcrow or a Mad Dog.
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Stinger
The Knights of Chaos
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:59 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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Ok the more I got to thinking about this mech the more I realized that I just dont see the clans doing something like this at all. A dedicated elemental hunter platform and a Omni at that is just well, wasteful. And SD pointed out the toe mounted LG laser (which I didnt notice till now, thank you SD, that is what I get for only glancing at the fluff). So here is my retake on the mech. I am not sure how he got all that in there with out Endo steel, though I am guessing that I am just missing it in he unit break down so anyway here we go I added 2 new variants and tried to keep it all the same (or at least as much as I could)
Let me know what you think.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Veloceraptor clan custom Alt B
Tech: Clan / 3058
Config: Biped OmniMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 275 XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
6 ER Medium Lasers
2 LRM 15s
4 Small Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
==Overview:==
Clan Snow Raven, after loosing a cache of battlemechs to Clan Hell's Horse's elementals, designed and manufactured the Veloceraptor. Designed for anti-elemental combat, the Veloceraptor remains a formidable all purpose mech.
==Capabilities:==
Shortly after the first Veloceraptor walked off of the assembly lines they saw immediate action. Though they fared well against a single point of elementals, a startling picture became clear to the pilots of the Veloceraptor. Against mechs they were generally horribly outclassed, as the toe mounted laser was usually unable to fire, and it was found that the linkage in the toe section could cause the firing circuts to be severd for the laser, robbing the Velociraptor of its 2 primary weapons. That and warrior complaints about performance required some changes.
Alt B is a close range weapons platform, dropping the Er LG Lasers for 6 ER Medium mounted 3 to a arm for a wide firing arch's. These back up the pair of torso mounted LRM 15's, for the occasinal elemental work 4 SM Pulse lasers were added to reduice the amount of ammo carrierd in the fully armored frame.
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Type/Model: Veloceraptor clan custom Alt B
Mass: 55 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 91 pts Endo Steel 7 3.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 CT, 1 RL)
Engine: 275 XL 10 8.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 16 Double [32] 10 6.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA R: Sh+UA+LA 14 .00
Armor Factor: 185 pts Ferro-Fibrous 7 10.00
(Armor Crit Loc: 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 27
Center Torso (Rear): 9
L/R Side Torso: 13 20/20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 6/6
L/R Arm: 9 18/18
L/R Leg: 13 26/26
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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3 ER Medium Lasers RA 15 3 3.00
3 ER Medium Lasers LA 15 3 3.00
1 LRM 15 RT 5 16 4 5.50
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
2 Small Pulse Lasers RT 4 2 2.00
1 LRM 15 LT 5 2 3.50
2 Small Pulse Lasers LT 4 2 2.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 48 78 54.50
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .50
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13,894,457 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,354
Cost per BV: 5,902.49
Weapon Value: 2,691 / 2,691 (Ratio = 1.14 / 1.14)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 45; MRDmg = 29; LRDmg = 9
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/3
Damage PB/M/L: 5/4/1, Overheat: 3
Class: MM; Point Value: 24
Specials: omni, if
And here is alt C
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Veloceraptor clan custom Alt C
Tech: Clan / 3058
Config: Biped OmniMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel
Power Plant: 275 XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Large Pulse Lasers
2 ER Medium Lasers
4 ER Small Lasers
2 Streak SRM 4s
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
==Overview:==
Clan Snow Raven, after loosing a cache of battlemechs to Clan Hell's Horse's elementals, designed and manufactured the Veloceraptor. Designed for anti-elemental combat, the Veloceraptor remains a formidable all purpose mech.
==Capabilities:==
Shortly after the first Veloceraptor walked off of the assembly lines they saw immediate action. Though they fared well against a single point of elementals, a startling picture became clear to the pilots of the Veloceraptor. Against mechs they were generally horribly outclassed, as the toe mounted laser was usually unable to fire, and it was found that the linkage in the toe section could cause the firing circuts to be severd for the laser, robbing the Velociraptor of its 2 primary weapons. That and warrior complaints about performance required some changes.
Alt B is a close range weapons platform, dropping the Er LG Lasers for 6 ER Medium mounted 3 to a arm for a wide firing arch's. These back up the pair of torso mounted LRM 15's, for the occasinal elemental work 4 SM Pulse lasers were added to reduice the amount of ammo carrierd in the fully armored frame.
Alt C is a pure Hunter Killer variant, mounting a Highly accurate LG Pulse lasers as its main weapon's. These are backed up by a pair of Er Medium lasers and 4 ER Small lasers, 2 Streak Srm 4 launchers round out the weapons load out.
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Type/Model: Veloceraptor clan custom Alt C
Mass: 55 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 91 pts Endo Steel 7 3.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 CT, 1 RL)
Engine: 275 XL 10 8.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 14 Double [28] 6 4.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA R: Sh+UA+LA 14 .00
Armor Factor: 185 pts Ferro-Fibrous 7 10.00
(Armor Crit Loc: 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 18 27
Center Torso (Rear): 9
L/R Side Torso: 13 20/20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 6/6
L/R Arm: 9 18/18
L/R Leg: 13 26/26
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
1 ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
1 Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
1 ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
1 Streak SRM 4 RT 3 25 2 3.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
1 Streak SRM 4 LT 3 1 2.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 44 71 54.50
Crits & Tons Left: 7 .50
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13,454,645 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,255
Cost per BV: 5,966.58
Weapon Value: 2,374 / 2,222 (Ratio = 1.05 / .99)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 40; MRDmg = 26; LRDmg = 13
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 5/3
Damage PB/M/L: 5/4/1, Overheat: 3
Class: MM; Point Value: 23
Specials: omni
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Stinger
If it's "creepy" to use the Internet, military satellites, and robot aircraft to find a house full of gorgeous young models so I can drop in on them unexpected, then FINE, I'm "creepy". Howard Wolowitz. BBT.
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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 13:39 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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Better than the two original variants.
B is quite dangerous at range, but it's true power lies in medium laser barrage that will probably deal with elementals much better than the MGs would, and doing so without having to get within elemental's reach.
C tries to deal with highly accurate firepower. I doubt that the elementals will like it. LLs can crack elemental's shell and SRMs will just finish the work. A good idea that was already tried with prime config.
I would move some small lasers to legs (just to keep up with mech's name, because the dinosaur was known for big, saber like claws)
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Stinger
The Knights of Chaos
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 16:40 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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Yeah should be an easy fix. Though I just dont like leg mounted weapons. I kind of see them as rear faceing weapons.
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Stinger
If it's "creepy" to use the Internet, military satellites, and robot aircraft to find a house full of gorgeous young models so I can drop in on them unexpected, then FINE, I'm "creepy". Howard Wolowitz. BBT.
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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2006 05:22 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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Rear facing weapons have at least some meaningful purpose (not that they are exceptionally useful, but...), leg mounted weapons are useful only for fluff or because there was no space elsewhere.
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Fang
Federated Suns
Captain
Joined: 11-Sep-2006 00:00
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2006 10:09 Post subject: RE: Veloceraptor |
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This design reminds me of a city fighter I once designed, for fighting infantry and light vehicles. was a gun boat with 12 mG's and two med lasers. I will find it then post it. Too expensive for pratical use, though
I posted it in the TRO. Should be available for review soon. it's the Basilisk
[ This Message was edited by: Fang on 2006-09-22 14:59 ]
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