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PostPosted: 11-May-2007 18:36    Post subject: Bombardier IIC Reply to topic Reply with quote

     BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Tech:          Clan / 3060
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          65 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   325 XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    
Armament:      
  3 ER Medium Lasers
  2 SRM 4s
  2 LRM 20s
  1 Anti-Missile System
  1 Ultra AC/2
  2 Anti-Personnel Pods
Manufacturer:  
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  
Targeting & Tracking System:  

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Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Mass:          65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  104 pts Endo Steel            7      3.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Engine:        325 XL Fusion                10     12.00
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     12 Double [24]               0      2.00
Gyro:                                        4      4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       .00
Armor Factor:  208 pts Standard              0     13.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             21         29      
   Center Torso (Rear):                 10      
   L/R Side Torso:           15      22/22      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              8/8      
   L/R Arm:                  10      20/20      
   L/R Leg:                  15      30/30      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Medium Laser        RA      5           1      1.00
1 SRM 4                  RA      3   50      3      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA)
1 ER Medium Laser        LA      5           1      1.00
1 SRM 4                  LA      3           1      1.00
1 LRM 20                 RT      6   12      6      7.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 ER Medium Laser        RT      5           1      1.00
1 LRM 20                 LT      6           4      5.00
1 Anti-Missile System    LT      1   24      2      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 Ultra AC/2             CT      1   45      3      6.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Anti-Personnel Pod     LL      0           1       .50
1 Anti-Personnel Pod     RL      0           1       .50
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         36          66     65.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          12       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        15,055,809 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,889
Cost per BV:       7,970.25
Weapon Value:      2,509 / 2,509 (Ratio = 1.33 / 1.33)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 38;  MRDmg = 26;  LRDmg = 13
BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 5/4
                   Damage PB/M/L: 6/4/1,  Overheat: 3
                   Class: MH;  Point Value: 19
                   Specials: if



Again, another design I'm considering for WiE.
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PostPosted: 12-May-2007 12:09    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Here are couple I did up a long time ago...

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               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Tech:          Clan / 3050
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          65 tons
Chassis:       KetoBond Standard
Power Plant:   325 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Choutaka Armorscale, Limited Standard
Armament:     
  1 SRM 4 w/ Artemis IV
  2 LRM 20s w/ Artemis IV
  2 Medium Pulse Lasers
  1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  Neil 9000
Targeting & Tracking System:  DLK Type Phased Array Sensors

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Mass:          65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  104 pts Standard              0      6.50
Engine:        325 XL Fusion                10     12.00
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     11 Double [22]               0      1.00
Gyro:                                        4      4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       .00
Armor Factor:  208 pts Standard              0     13.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9     
   Center Torso:             21         27     
   Center Torso (Rear):                 14     
   L/R Side Torso:           15      20/20     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):            10/10     
   L/R Arm:                  10      20/20     
   L/R Leg:                  15      29/29     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 SRM 4 w/ Artemis IV    RA      3   25      3      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RA)
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   RT      6   24      9     10.00
  (Ammo Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT)
1 Medium Pulse Laser     RT      4           1      2.00
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   LT      6           5      6.00
1 Medium Pulse Laser     LT      4           1      2.00
1 Anti-Missile System    CT      1   48      3      2.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         24          57     65.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          21       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        15,128,409 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,038
Cost per BV:       7,423.16
Weapon Value:      3,005 / 2,670 (Ratio = 1.47 / 1.31)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 45;  MRDmg = 30;  LRDmg = 13
BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 5/4
                   Damage PB/M/L: 7/5/3,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: MH;  Point Value: 20
                   Specials: if



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  BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Bombardier 4C
Tech:          Clan / 2750
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          65 tons
Chassis:       KetoBond Endo Steel
Power Plant:   325 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets:     5 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type:    Choutaka Armorscale, Limited Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:     
  3 LRM 20s w/ Artemis IV
  2 ER Medium Lasers
  1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  Neil 9000
Targeting & Tracking System:  DLK Type Phased Array Sensors

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Bombardier 4C
Mass:          65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  104 pts Endo Steel            7      3.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 5 LA, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Engine:        325 XL Fusion                10     12.00
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               0       .00
Gyro:                                        4      4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       .00
Armor Factor:  211 pts Ferro-Fibrous         7     11.00
 (Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 LL, 1 RL)

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9     
   Center Torso:             21         27     
   Center Torso (Rear):                 15     
   L/R Side Torso:           15      20/20     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):            10/10     
   L/R Arm:                  10      20/20     
   L/R Leg:                  15      30/30     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   RA      6   30     10     11.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT)
2 ER Medium Lasers       LA     10           2      2.00
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   RT      6           5      6.00
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   LT      6           5      6.00
1 Anti-Missile System    CT      1   24      2      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
5 Standard Jump Jets:                        5      5.00
 (Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         29          78     65.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           0       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        16,318,059 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,637
Cost per BV:       6,188.11
Weapon Value:      2,590 / 2,270 (Ratio = .98 / .86)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 41;  MRDmg = 29;  LRDmg = 19
BattleForce2:      MP: 5J,  Armor/Structure: 5/4
                   Damage PB/M/L: 5/4/3,  Overheat: 3
                   Class: MH;  Point Value: 26
                   Specials: if

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PostPosted: 12-May-2007 14:47    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

How I think it should be done. M,y biggest issue was the XL on a IIC. Not unheard of, but rather silly.

The MiPL and Flamer are for Anti-Infantry work. With the MiPL doing 2d6 and Flamer 4d6.

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               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Tech:          Clan / 3067
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 2, Custom design

Mass:          65 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   260 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  3 ER Medium Lasers
  2 Micro Pulse Lasers
  2 Streak SRM 4s
  2 LRM 20s w/ Artemis IV
  1 Flamer
  1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Bombardier IIC
Mass:          65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  104 pts Endo Steel            7      3.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 3 LA, 4 RA)
Engine:        260 Fusion                    6     13.50
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     12 Double [24]               4      2.00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       .00
Armor Factor:  208 pts Standard              0     13.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9     
   Center Torso:             21         29     
   Center Torso (Rear):                 10     
   L/R Side Torso:           15      22/22     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              8/8     
   L/R Arm:                  10      20/20     
   L/R Leg:                  15      30/30     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Medium Laser        RA      5           1      1.00
1 Micro Pulse Laser      RA      1           1       .50
1 Streak SRM 4           RA      3   25      2      3.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 ER Medium Laser        LA      5           1      1.00
1 Micro Pulse Laser      LA      1           1       .50
1 Streak SRM 4           LA      3           1      2.00
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   RT      6   24      9     10.00
  (Ammo Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT)
1 LRM 20 w/ Artemis IV   LT      6           5      6.00
1 ER Medium Laser        CT      5           1      1.00
1 Flamer                 CT      3           1       .50
1 Anti-Missile System    HD      1   24      2      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         39          67     65.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          11       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        7,534,836 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,839
Cost per BV:       4,097.25
Weapon Value:      2,781 / 2,397 (Ratio = 1.51 / 1.30)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 47;  MRDmg = 30;  LRDmg = 14
BattleForce2:      MP: 4,  Armor/Structure: 5/5
                   Damage PB/M/L: 6/4/2,  Overheat: 4
                   Class: MH;  Point Value: 18
                   Specials: if


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PostPosted: 12-May-2007 16:27    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I went with the Ultra/2 and A-pods as a spoof of the Macross mecha upon which the Archer was based; the Mechwarrior 2 computer game used the Bombardier as a substitute for the Archer, and so I figured that this was only fitting.

The mecha in question had a weapons cluster mounted between the two missile launchers; this cluster consisted of a main gun (I don't remember the bore), a laser, a flamethrower, and a grenade launcher. It also had either some machine guns or some rockets mounted in the legs.
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PostPosted: 13-May-2007 00:07    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Well my only gripe was the UAC2.

Here is a question and I dont have my books nearby (and when my old comp fried it took my copy of HMPro with it and I cant find my CD so I cant reload it), But instead of the LRM 20's could you drop them and the UAC2 for 4 LRM15's with Artemis? Would give it a longer life on the field and a better damage ratio (not sure if others have noticed this but the missile to hit table favors the 15 rack slightly, giving it slightly better damage with rolls of 9 through 11, at least this is what my friends and I noticed).
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PostPosted: 13-May-2007 01:48    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Kraken wrote:
I went with the Ultra/2 and A-pods as a spoof of the Macross mecha upon which the Archer was based; the Mechwarrior 2 computer game used the Bombardier as a substitute for the Archer, and so I figured that this was only fitting.

The mecha in question had a weapons cluster mounted between the two missile launchers; this cluster consisted of a main gun (I don't remember the bore), a laser, a flamethrower, and a grenade launcher. It also had either some machine guns or some rockets mounted in the legs.


The Gladiator.
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PostPosted: 13-May-2007 10:55    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Vagabond wrote:
Kraken wrote:
I went with the Ultra/2 and A-pods as a spoof of the Macross mecha upon which the Archer was based; the Mechwarrior 2 computer game used the Bombardier as a substitute for the Archer, and so I figured that this was only fitting.

The mecha in question had a weapons cluster mounted between the two missile launchers; this cluster consisted of a main gun (I don't remember the bore), a laser, a flamethrower, and a grenade launcher. It also had either some machine guns or some rockets mounted in the legs.


The Gladiator.


Don't you mean the Spartan?
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PostPosted: 13-May-2007 15:03    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Karagin wrote:
Vagabond wrote:
Kraken wrote:
I went with the Ultra/2 and A-pods as a spoof of the Macross mecha upon which the Archer was based; the Mechwarrior 2 computer game used the Bombardier as a substitute for the Archer, and so I figured that this was only fitting.

The mecha in question had a weapons cluster mounted between the two missile launchers; this cluster consisted of a main gun (I don't remember the bore), a laser, a flamethrower, and a grenade launcher. It also had either some machine guns or some rockets mounted in the legs.


The Gladiator.


Don't you mean the Spartan?


Ya. the Gladiator is the Robotech name with the Spartan being the Macross name, which confuses many do to the fact that Robotech named the Macross Phalanx as the Spartan. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: 13-May-2007 16:52    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Which is why I ignore the cartoon and go of the Palladium RPG stats and info. They at least freely admit the US version is merging of three cartoons that have next to nothing in common. And they have a second in the back of the first RPG book explaining the differences in the mecha so if you want to use something different...
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