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-Mud
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 Posted: 13-Mar-2004 14:48 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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You make a good point about the distinction between aims and methods; ETA is just as validly a separatist group as it is a terrorist group; calling them "separatists" is by no means an act of support for said group, just an accurate description. Simply calling all of these militant groups terrorists obscures some pretty important differences among them. Your average, uneducated FOX news watcher might not be able to pin this down, but most people have some concept of the differences among these groups.
A true and objective picture of the roots of terrorism is vital to any strategy to root out terrorists and cut off terror leaders from sources of willing recruits. The forces of economic development and political empowerment are the true weapons of choice against terrorism. This may sound far-fetched and utopian, but remember that terrorism can only thrive on resentment, hopelessness, and spiritual deprivation.
The fact of course remains that anyone who is willing to needlessly kill innocents in order to advance some cause or agenda deserves condemnation, no matter what cause, organization, country, or religion they draw justification for their violence from. However, before those of us who live in the rich countries of the world condemn those who attack us as evil, we need to remove the board from our own eye. Some of you will no doubt find this offensive; to you all I can say is that my purpose is only to encourage a positive rhetoric to counteract all of the negative, counter-productive rhetoric which flies so easily in the wake of violence. Jesus' greatest moral teaching was that a man must know when to turn the other cheek to injustice and unprovoked violence. Remember, the terrorist kills our countrymen in order to extract revenge. Will you stoop to his level by demanding revenge of your own?
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Blasty McNasty
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| Posted: 13-Mar-2004 16:14 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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And to let it happen will only invite more. It is almost an universal law that murder should not be condoned. That those responsible for such should be allowed to do it again. To do nothing is far worse than taking 'revenge' upon them. Renvenge is one thing, justice is another. I, for one, hadn't heard of the ETA before this thread. I did research them and they use terrorism in an attempt to achieve their goals, thus they are terrorists. Here is something for all to consider, are all seperatists terrorists? No, so to call a terrorist a seperatist isn't being fully divulging but to call a terrorist a terrorist lets all of those, including the group that you -Mud called 'uneducated watchers of FOX news', know exactly what they are. Murderous, heinous, partakers of atrocities. One could call Hussein a revolutionary but to call him a maniacal, genocidal authoritarian would be much more accurate.
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-Mud
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| Posted: 13-Mar-2004 16:25 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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Calling somebody a "terrorist" and nothing else does not let me know exactly who these people are, why they are engaging in violence, and what their objectives are. The term terrorist is itself rather unfortunate. I prefer militant or insurgent. The root of terrorist is "terror." When the government or the media describe a group as a "terrorist" group, they create fear. Create enough fear, and people begin doing stupid things like voting for George Bush and letting him invade Iraq. Emotionally charged terms create emotionally distorted judgements in times of crisis.
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Blasty McNasty
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| Posted: 13-Mar-2004 18:30 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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A terrorist is someone who commits terrorism, right? Well, the definition of terrorism is the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. Militants, seperatists, and insurgents you use such are terrorists.
I've never been afraid because someone used the term 'terrorist' to describe someone. I don't know of anyone who has. To me, terrorist is not emotionally charged but revolutionist is. Defining someone as an insurgent is the same as calling someone a revolutionary.
Now, for your political statements, let us not go there. I believe there are rules on this forum that prohibit such.
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 13-Mar-2004 18:39 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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The objective for alot of these Terrorist groups is nothing more than to destabilize the accepted rule of order, so that they may grab a bigger piece of the pie. Or to make sure that a true peaceful solution is ever negotiated.
The Muslim world should have been relatively happy that Saddam Hussein was removed from power. The Shiites were severly persecuted under Hussein, as were the other Muslim groups that were not (Damn I forget which he was) his own group. I've been reading some bulletin boards purportedly put up by Iraqis, and they decribe foreigners coming in to fight the Americans.
Yeah we are the big bad, but why would a group cut the power grid that brings power to the people of Tikrit? Or blow up a religious ceremony that obviously had no Americans there?
No matter what their underlying reasons for their hatred of America, by their actions they are nothing more than low life scum, or terrorists. Just as by their actions the group ETA are no longer seperatists, they have become simple terrorists.
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 13-Mar-2004 19:32 Post subject: RE: Ask CNN to call terrorists by their name |
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On 2004-03-13 18:39, Pinhead wrote:
Yeah we are the big bad, but why would a group cut the power grid that brings power to the people of Tikrit? Or blow up a religious ceremony that obviously had no Americans there?
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To show the people that the coalition isn't there to protect them? To show the religious that they cannot take over the country just because Saddam has fallen?
Terrorists always have some reason for doing these things, no matter how twisted their thinking might be.
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