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master arminas
Clan Goliath Scorpion
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 Posted: 29-Apr-2014 17:09 Post subject: Hellbringer II: As It Should Have Been |
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Coming up in Scorpio Ascendant is a major overhaul and redesign of this venerable chassis. Which I will give you folks now. Ladies and gentlemen, my own Hellbringer II: As It Should Have Been.--MA
Overview
Ah, the Hellbringer. This is perhaps the prime example of how the canon OmniMechs were deliberately neutered. Certainly, with 28.5 tons of pod space and 13 fixed DHS, it was capable of bringing Hell down upon its opponents. But the design teams fitted it with STANDARD internal structure and just EIGHT TONS of standard armor.
To put that in perspective, a 3025 Phoenix Hawk (a 45-ton Medium-weight 'Mech) carries that same 8.0 tons of armor. NOT GOOD for a 65-ton Heavy-weight BattleMech that is supposed to be one of the most common Clan Heavy OmniMech in existence.
The shame is, by using Endo-Steel and Ferro-fibrous(11 tons for 100% of the maximum armor protection allowed on a 65-ton chassis), we can STILL have that 28.5 tons of pod-space! But now on an OmniMech that doesn't die when their opponent sneezes!
The second problem was the pod-configurations . . . which we are now addressing.
Our Hellbringer (AISHB) Prime very much resembles the old canon version . . . but there are differences. Instead of two ER PPCs (and their HUGE heat costs), we instead carry one ER PPC and one Large Pulse Laser. Backing up the big guns are three ER Medium Lasers and a Streak SRM-6 with a ton of ammunition for 15 salvoes. Plus, an Active Probe, ECM, TAG, and Anti-Missile System with 24 bursts. AND two Machine-guns (100 bursts of fire) for anti-personnel work.
And ALL of those energy weapons are tied into a Targeting Computer. Where did the weight savings for this come from? We dropped the four useless A-Pods and increased the onboard DHS from 13 (in the engine)to 14. That means our Prime can run at range while firing the AMS, ER PPC, and LPL all day long and remain heat neutral. In close, exchange the peeper for the three ER Mediums and it is still good. When the Streak locks, it will overheat . . . but you can take one ER Medium out of the firing loop to compensate.
Configuration A always had me scratching my head: six shots for the LRM, six shots for NARC, and twenty for Ultra AC-5? Ten double taps? Absolutely ridiculous ammunition loadouts for this 'Mech . . . ours changes that. We keep the twin ER Large Lasers in the left arm, but replace the UAC-5 with an LB-5X
(with TWO tons of ammo for twenty shots each of slug and cluster). Instead of the NARC/LRM-20 combo, we instead carry an LRM-15 with Artemis IV and THREE tons of ammunition (24 salvoes). Instead of the Active Probe, this long-range combat unit carries an ECM Suite. Finally, we increase the DHS from 13 to 16 . . . making us perfectly heat neutral on a run when firing all weapons. Our weapons reach is outstanding and our endurance is good enough.
Configuration B had potential . . . but once again, lack of ammunition damned the design. We keep the Gauss Rifle but boost the payload to TWO tons (16 shots), but replace the LB-5X autocannon with an ER PPC. NOW we have two 15-point head-cappers, one of which doesn't rely on ammunition. For close-in work, we have two Streak SRM-6 launchers sharing a single ton of ammo (15 salvoes, but for STREAKS, this should be enough), plus an ER Medium Laser and an ER Small Laser. Just the standard 13 DHS are mounted, so the Hellbringer (AISHB) C runs a bit on the hot side if it runs and both Streak lock onto target . . . but it is manageable.
That is it for the canon 3050 configs, but I have a few ideas of my own.
Configuration C is a jumping Hellbringer, with five jump jets. There are two models, the C1 and C2. These are almost identical, with each carrying two ER Medium Lasers and a Flamer in the left arm (with lower arm and hand actuators), a Streak SRM-6 launcher with one ton of ammo (15 salvoes) in the left torso, and either an LB-20X autocannon with four tons of ammunition (C1) or an Ultra AC-20 autocannon with four tons of ammuntion (C2). The C1 also carries two Machine-guns and a half-ton of ammo, whereas the C2 replaces those weapons with a 14th double heat-sink. This model is based on the old Victor assault-weight BattleMech and it does bring the pain.
For Config D, I have to start by saying I hate the Naga. When you have OmniMechs, why build one SOLELY for artillery? Why not have configurations that carry artillery that you can sub-in and -out as needed? My Hellbringer (AISHB) D is an artillery configuration. It carries an Arrow IV with four tons of ammunition (20 shots), plus a Large Pulse Laser, three Medium Pulse Lasers, and a Flamer for self defense. It can provide on-call artillery support while defending itself, and even if artillery is bid away, it isn't useless on the battlefield!
Configuration E is based (loosely) on the canon Config F. Armament is an LB-10X autocannon in the right arm (with three tons of ammo for 30 shots!), a Large Pulse Laser in the left arm, two ER Medium Lasers (center torso and left torso), and an ATM-6 launcher with three tons of ammo (for 30 missile salvoes and the possibility of having all three ammo types). A 14th DHS allows the Hellbringer E to remain perfectly heat neutral even on a running alpha-strike and the deep magazines make it excellent for conducting operations when resupply might be 'iffy'.
Anyway, that is it for today, sports fans! Enjoy.
| Code: | Hellbringer II
Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3049
Cost: 16,095,406 C-Bills
Battle Value: 969
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
28.5 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 104 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 325 12.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 211 11.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 21 32
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 15 22
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 10 20
L/R Leg 15 30
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 19,149,969
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,872
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
TAG RT 0 1 1.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
2 Machine Guns RT 0 2 0.50
Active Probe LT 0 1 1.00
ECM Suite LT 0 1 1.00
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
Targeting Computer LT - 3 3.00
Anti-Missile System CT 1 1 0.50
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Anti-Missile System (24) RT - 1 1.00
@MG (1/2) (100) RT - 1 0.50
Free Critical Slots: 10
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 29
5 5 5 2 0 3 2 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, PRB, RCN, ECM, TAG, AMS, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 18,659,094
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,244
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT
CASE Locations: RT, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LB 5-X AC RA 1 4 7.00
2 ER Large Lasers LA 24 2 8.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
ECM Suite LT 0 1 1.00
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 5-X (Slug) (20) RA - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (24) RT - 3 3.00
Free Critical Slots: 12
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 22
5 4 4 4 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 18,222,359
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,616
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: RT, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s RT 8 4 6.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
ER Small Laser CT 2 1 0.50
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 16
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 26
5 6 6 3 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Loadout Name: C1 Cost: 18,840,491
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,266
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 5.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
Flamer LA 3 1 0.50
LB 20-X AC RT/RA 6 1/8 12.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
2 Machine Guns LT 0 2 0.50
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (10) RT - 2 2.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
@MG (1/2) (100) LT - 1 0.50
Free Critical Slots: 4
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 23
5j 5 4 0 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0
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Loadout Name: C2 Cost: 18,584,741
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,505
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 5.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/20 RA 7 8 12.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
Flamer LA 3 1 0.50
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
@Ultra AC/20 (20) RT - 4 4.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 25
5j 6 5 0 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 17,874,312
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,286
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Arrow IV Missile RT/RA 10 4/8 12.00
3 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 12 3 6.00
Flamer CT 3 1 0.50
@Arrow IV (Cluster) (5) RT - 1 1.00
@Arrow IV (Homing) (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Arrow IV (Non-Home) (5) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 11
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 23
5 5 3 1 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ARTAC, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 18,087,781
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,160
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT
CASE Locations: RT, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LB 10-X AC RA 2 5 10.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) RA - 2 2.00
@ATM-6 (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (HE) (10) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 13
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 22
5 5 5 3 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/1 |
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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| Posted: 01-May-2014 05:35 Post subject: Hellbringer II: As It Should Have Been |
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Makes sense.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 02-May-2014 23:51 Post subject: Hellbringer II: As It Should Have Been |
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Clans would have been too... but really full armour and the best carrying capacity makes the 'Mechs too alike and gets old quickly.
Hellbringer deserves a refit, but it doesn't have to follow the Timber Wolf path. Besides it already got mk. II treatment in TRO 3145.
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