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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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 Posted: 03-Dec-2003 16:10 Post subject: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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Type: ILL-D7 Decembrist
Tonnage: 50 tons
Movement Type: Conventional Fighter
Power Plant: Deve Series 150A ICE
Armor: RI88A Red Iron
Armament:
~ 1x IvM2 Ivanov Large Laser
~ 1x IvM1 Ivanov Medium Laser
~ 2x AT-2SR Missile System
Manufacturer: Ilyushin-LGG Manufacturing
~Primary Factory: Bryant
Communications Systems: QDCOM x3
Targeting and Tracking System: QDVAR 88a
Overview
With space security more and more an issue within the Chaos March, the Imperial Russian Air Force announced that it would take steps to end space piracy within their sphere of influence. With the support of Outreach, New Home, and ComStar, the IRAF developed what is classified as a System Patrol and Attack Craft: the ILL-D7 Decembrist.
Capabilities
This revolutionary design is a conventional fighter with a solid fuel rocket booster propelsion system designed to opperate for long periods of time in the vacuum of space. With a primary armament of powerful laser systems, backed up by missile packs, the Decembrist is a strong craft which is capable of dishing out a lot of damage.
Rugged and reliable, the Decembrist is capable of opperating in an atmosphere, or in the depths of space. A large amount of fuel, and plenty of armor give it a long life in any situation, and allow the Decembrist to bring the full might of its weapons to bear. You might be able to outrun the Decembrist, but you could never outlast it.
When opperating from prepared bases the Decembrist makes a powerful defensive platform being cheap and reliable. The wide body, strong wings and redundent aft control surfaces also make the fighter highly manuverable, even at maximum thrust.
It's one weakness is that it does not have the speed to persue retreating craft, nor can it be successfully used in a high speed running engagement. When used correctly however, the Decembrist can become the powerful line of battle necessary in any space battle.
Deployment
Currently the Decembrist is still in testing. A number of units have been made for evaulational purposes, with a wing sent to Outreach, and the Star League Defense Force taking another wing. New Home and Imperial Russia each deploy about one to two wings for testing. As each government determines its needs, more will be made available.
ILL-D7 Decembrist
Tech: IS, Lev 2
Movement Type: Conventional Fighter
Tonnage: 50
Structural Integrity: 3
Engine: Deve Series 150A
~Type: ICE, 11 tons
~Cruising MP: 3
~Flanking MP: 5
Fuel: 120, 4 tons
Heat Sinks: 7 (14)
Control Equipment: 5 tons
Lift Equipment: 5 tons (VSTOL, Vacuum)
Power Amp: 1 ton
Armor: 80, 4 tons
~Nose: 20
~L/R Wings: 17/17
~Rear: 10
Weapons and Equipment:
Large Laser, Nose
Medium Laser, Nose
Medium Laser, Rear
SRM-2, Right Wing
SRM-2, Left Wing
Ammo (SRM-2) 50, Body
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AWAD
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 04-Dec-2003 17:57 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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On 2003-12-03 16:10, Raven! wrote:
Type: ILL-D7 Decembrist
Tonnage: 50 tons
Movement Type: Conventional Fighter
Power Plant: Deve Series 150A ICE
Armor: RI88A Red Iron
Armament:
~ 1x IvM2 Ivanov Large Laser
~ 1x IvM1 Ivanov Medium Laser
~ 2x AT-2SR Missile System
Manufacturer: Ilyushin-LGG Manufacturing
~Primary Factory: Bryant
Communications Systems: QDCOM x3
Targeting and Tracking System: QDVAR 88a
Overview
With space security more and more an issue within the Chaos March, the Imperial Russian Air Force announced that it would take steps to end space piracy within their sphere of influence. With the support of Outreach, New Home, and ComStar, the IRAF developed what is classified as a System Patrol and Attack Craft: the ILL-D7 Decembrist.
Capabilities
This revolutionary design is a conventional fighter with a solid fuel rocket booster propelsion system designed to opperate for long periods of time in the vacuum of space. With a primary armament of powerful laser systems, backed up by missile packs, the Decembrist is a strong craft which is capable of dishing out a lot of damage.
Rugged and reliable, the Decembrist is capable of opperating in an atmosphere, or in the depths of space. A large amount of fuel, and plenty of armor give it a long life in any situation, and allow the Decembrist to bring the full might of its weapons to bear. You might be able to outrun the Decembrist, but you could never outlast it.
When opperating from prepared bases the Decembrist makes a powerful defensive platform being cheap and reliable. The wide body, strong wings and redundent aft control surfaces also make the fighter highly manuverable, even at maximum thrust.
It's one weakness is that it does not have the speed to persue retreating craft, nor can it be successfully used in a high speed running engagement. When used correctly however, the Decembrist can become the powerful line of battle necessary in any space battle.
Deployment
Currently the Decembrist is still in testing. A number of units have been made for evaulational purposes, with a wing sent to Outreach, and the Star League Defense Force taking another wing. New Home and Imperial Russia each deploy about one to two wings for testing. As each government determines its needs, more will be made available.
ILL-D7 Decembrist
Tech: IS, Lev 2
Movement Type: Conventional Fighter
Tonnage: 50
Structural Integrity: 3
Engine: Deve Series 150A
~Type: ICE, 11 tons
~Cruising MP: 3
~Flanking MP: 5
Fuel: 120, 4 tons
Heat Sinks: 7 (14)
Control Equipment: 5 tons
Lift Equipment: 5 tons (VSTOL, Vacuum)
Power Amp: 1 ton
Armor: 80, 4 tons
~Nose: 20
~L/R Wings: 17/17
~Rear: 10
Weapons and Equipment:
Large Laser, Nose
Medium Laser, Nose
Medium Laser, Rear
SRM-2, Right Wing
SRM-2, Left Wing
Ammo (SRM-2) 50, Body
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O crap sir, What Wingman Bob, I see a single Shilone, Ummmmm kiss our ass good bye,
Then they can not even outrun a freakin Lepoard dropship.
Nope these are very dead dead dead.
AWAD- Nice fluff though
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 04-Dec-2003 20:05 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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This was a concept plane. I wanted to see what I could do! And they aren't meant to outrun anything. They are meant to form a static line of battle. In other words, these are basically hand held weapons for space stations 
Thanks. I knew justifying that slow speed would require work
Raven!
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Steelfang
3rd Bn, The Winchester Rifles
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| Posted: 05-Dec-2003 02:43 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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Are these fighters destined for the 4th Donegal Guards? [Hammer and Sickle Insignia]
:The workers in the factories can be heard singing the Internaionale, followed by Rodina while they work:
[ This Message was edited by: Deadeye on 2003-12-05 02:44 ]
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 05-Dec-2003 14:42 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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well, since the words like <i>Imperial</i> are mentioned, I would think not.
This was made for a homegrown unit i designed that took over the world of Bryant from the Bryant Regulars. They use a lot of conventional machinery.
Raven!
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Paul
Capellan Confederation
Sang-wei
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| Posted: 08-Dec-2003 11:54 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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Cool fluff. Nice to read, and I enjoyed some of the fluff tech you threw about.
But this fighter can't be expected to accomplish anything.
It's firepower is pretty decent for it's size. You don't see energy weapons on conventional fighters very often.
It's armor is also good for a conventional fighter, but rather pathetic compared to even Light AeroSpace fighters.
It's speed makes it a deathtrap.
Faster craft will run around your 'static wall'; if you fail to maim them coming in, you'll be their chewtoy afterwards.
Heavier craft will just muscle you around.
Slower craft don't exist. ;p
A design flaw is it's SI. It's listed as 3, which means you can't even overthrust without problems.
I'd strongly recommend increasing it's speed somehow. Perhaps dropping the SRM-2's would get you on the way, they're nice when inferno-ing vehicles, but you're cramming too much equipment in this frame as is.
Consider even dropping some armor; speed is your friend.
As a semi-mobile gunplatform it's pretty much pointless. You're overpaying for something that's not functional unless you're engaging a JumpShip.
As a ward against Pirates its equally pointless; they can easily bypass the Decembrists, DropShips and all. Which is a pity, a group of Decembrists could even threaten their DropShips, something a Guardian, for instance, cannot.
I like what you've managed to pack on it, but it comes at a far too high price. This design will not be functional in Battletech, not even in your own storyline.
RE: rocketboosters to turn them in to SPC's. While it's a bit Robotechy to mount a rocketbooster on a fighter to get it in orbit, I also think there's no real use for it. If you need orbit coverage, use ASFs. If you don't have them, you're paying through the nose in boosters to keep patrols in orbit. Either just wait for them hit your atmosphere and hop over to them, or wait for them to set down and strike then. No outer atmosphere capability is a liability, but thats why everyone likes ASF's so much.
And to patrol your system with these, well, you're torturing your pilots. Imagine being stuck in a cockpit coasting about in ballistic courses around your own planet. That cockpit's going to reek. Sitting all the time in weightlessness without room to excercise will require severe therapy every time these guys come back dirtside.
And when you do find some badguys, you can't engage since you have no way of making an interception vector, or getting back on course for recovery. I don't think they even try this with ASF fighters. Now, ASF and a Carrier, even a Leopard CV, that'd work.
For functional SPC's I'd consider using either Small Craft or really small DropShips. Small Craft would fit your fluff better, but DropShips would be more functional.
Paul
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 08-Dec-2003 21:34 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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Ilyushin Update
Although the Decembrist had no problem being manufactured and deployed, what people believed as the vanguard of an Imperial Space presence was just not working. Although the heavy firepower and its slow manuvering made it hover close to dropships, the slow machine just could not keep up with the fast fighters used by pirate forces opperating in the Chaos March.
The following report from the outskirts of New Home provide this:
"Zdrastvuyte Comrade Commander." Lt. Nikolay was polite as he floated in the air on the command deck of their Leopard CV dropship. Their one carrier and a few line ships made up the entire March Fleet of the Imperial Russian Air Force. Admiral Chernova had ordered the fleet into action near New Home due to an up surge of Pirate activity. Commander Nishen was in charge of the mission. The red, white, and blue flag with the Imperial Eagle and Shield was hanging behind his desk, a potent symbol in the Chaos march. Nishen turned to his greeting.
"Comrade Lieutenant Nikolay, long range scans have just come in and the enemy has been sighted." He turned towards a comm operater who put the display up on the main screen. Four Mule class dropships were highlighted in yellow, and next to them, the Imperial Russian fleet in Blue. At extreme range was the supposed pirate fleet, unidentified dropships disgorging fighters. Commander Nishen turned to the ship, "To all ships: enemy sighted, prepare to engage." Turning back to Nikolay, Nishen nodded, "Prepare the Decembrists."
Nikolay nodded and turned to float back down to the flight deck. There he prepared his Pilots and Navigators. The battle plan was simple: the two Unions of the Imperial Fleet would form a line of battle with ten Decembrists. The Fortress would cover the Mules as the Overlord and Leopard CV took up flanking positions. A lot of money was being put to guard this mysterious shipment, and Nikolay hoped it was worth it.
Once the briefing was over the pilots ran to their machines. Equiped with two Arrow IV missiles outfited for space use, they planned to hit hard and heavy. Nikolay opened up a general command frequency, "Fighters ready to launch." When the lights went to green, they rocket out into the darkness of space. Almost immedietly they could see the Unions engaging at distance, moving their fighters up was slightly sluggish but they seemed to handle well in the vacuum. Moving up to their assinged positions, the Decembrists began to fire. Suddenly it seemed as if the enemy fighters were everywhere. The comm channel went crazy as fighters called in to report massive numbers of fighters seemingly from every direction. Nikolay opened up with his large laser and missiles every two seconds, his wingman keeping as close as possible. Laser fire was everywhere.
Nishen swore from the bridge of the Volgagrad, "Enemy fighters attacking from rear sir!" shouted a scantech. He ordered the ship to cut through the line and engage head on. "Fire everything we have, stop those fighters from hitting the Mules." The Volgagrad shifted hard but was firing as soon as it was turning. Enemy fighters crumpled under laser and PPC fire.
The Overlord continued to fire hard into the enemy fighters, shreding them, but they were loosing Decembrists faster then they could count. Within the opening two minutes of battle, they were already down to four. Their slow speed and light armor was to little to make up for the speed and quickly changing battlefield conditions. Nishen cursed...
.... almost as fluently as Nikolay. He and his wingman countinued to mount up kills, but were largly inefectual against the numbers facing them. Calling to his wingman the two fighters broke from combat at a high burn and opened up at long range with their Arrow IV at the still stationary enemy dropship.
To late the fighters and dropships realized what was going on, and the Arrow IV's managed to inflict terrible damage as they impacted against the side of the enemy ship. Nikolay let out a ragged cheer. It was a victory of sorts.
End Briefing
Admiral Chernova brushed her dark hair back over her ear as she faced the room. The combined Marshals and Admirals of the Imperial ground and land forces were all complaining visciously about recent set backs against pirate operations in the March. Only the ground forces had any real success, their tanks and infantry having proven very effective against pirate and enemy raids. Chernova, however, was probably about to take the brunt of the Government reprisals for the recent damage to a convoy to New Home.
"Gentlemen and Ladies," She spoke for the first time and the room quieted turning to look at her. "Before we assing to much blaim, I am willing to take it all. Our space forces were formed on the assumptions that battles in space could work similiar to the naval engagements we fought against the Cappellen Confederation." She pauses, "We were wrong." The four Field Marshels settle back and smile a contemptuous smile on their faces as the three other Admirals looked on in shock. "However, all was not lost. The crews from the submarines we trained for space opperation performed admirably." She turns on her computer screen, and the wall behind her lights up with a green outline of the Decembrist. "This fighter did not."
She stands and moves to the board. "However we have been in talks with Ilyushin Manufacturing, and we believe we have come up with a solution. As you can see immediately, the SRM2 mounts have been dropped for Rocket pods. This saves weight, but allows for hard hitting in initial engagements, or for a combined effort. Over fourty rockets can be fired at once, which will have a devestating effect on even the strongest aerospace fighter."
The screen rotates to bring the forward gun assembly into view. "By dropping both medium lasers and reconfiguring the heat sink assembly, as well as making the power relay system more efficient we were able to gain a 33% increase in speed." The room nods in approval. "Also we have agreed that having both VSTOL and Vacuum capability on the same craft is a waste of badly needed weight. The removal of VSTOL systems on all space defense aircraft gives this ship far more armor." She smiles lightly, "Hopefully this refit will see better action then our current models, which are being called back for redesign. However, the other major problems are that our forces are also extremely limited..." At this point the arguement disolved into a budget discusion.
ILL-D8 Decembrist Convetional Fighter
Drop:
Vstol, 2.5 tons
Engine 150, 11 tons
Medium Lasers, 2 tons
Heat Sinks, 3 tons
SRM-2s, 2 tons
Ammo (SRM2) 50, 1 ton
TOTAL: 21.5 tons
Add:
Armor, 2.5 tons
Engine 200, 17 tons
4 RL 10s, 2 tons
TOTAL: 21.5 tons
[ This Message was edited by: Raven! on 2003-12-08 21:34 ]
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AWAD
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 08-Dec-2003 23:03 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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On 2003-12-08 21:34, Raven! wrote:
Ilyushin Update
.." At this point the arguement disolved into a budget discusion.
ILL-D8 Decembrist Convetional Fighter
Drop:
Vstol, 2.5 tons
Engine 150, 11 tons
Medium Lasers, 2 tons
Heat Sinks, 3 tons
SRM-2s, 2 tons
Ammo (SRM2) 50, 1 ton
TOTAL: 21.5 tons
Add:
Armor, 2.5 tons
Engine 200, 17 tons
4 RL 10s, 2 tons
TOTAL: 21.5 tons
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Nice job sir, That deserves the best response to a nice review, and my smack, I have seen. Good little story and showed you are very open minded; plus what would really happen after such a disaster, point fingers and fight over money.
So please post the final version so it is easier to look at.
AWAD- Flaw of many a man, unable to admit a mistake
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Paul
Capellan Confederation
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| Posted: 09-Dec-2003 08:19 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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Awesome. Don't think I've seen that elaborate fluff, or even fanfic detailing the reasons behind some design flaws and their fixes before. (Which is not to say no one did it before; I just didn't see it)
You get some serious brownie points for that.
I'm with AWAD though, post the new stats. Nasty Hobbitses making my Precious count!
I'm guestimating that the 200 engine yields you a 4/6 rating. The extra armor is quite nice, as are the extra RL pods. Removing the VTOL equipment was a good idea, I missed that. I didn't notice whether you increased the SI though. If it's still 3 than the speed increase is pretty much moot.
That said, while your Decembrist is much improved, 4/6 is still barely adequate (I think you have another design with that speed, equally handicapped because of it's speed. And you intend it for air superiority no less...).
You'll still get outmaneuvered all too easily, and while you might be able to keep up with slower 5/8 designs, those suckers also outgun and outarmor you by a few factors. I realize you'll want to mob your enemy with this design, but it strikes me that you'll need a whole lot to do damage to the enemies that don't flee.
Also, your fluff suggests that you see them deploying from DropShips as a poor man's ASF.
Why not jump all the way and turn this in to an ASF? You're trying to do too much on a 50 ton conventional frame, bumping hard in to the restrictions the AT2 construction places on such vehicles. Fluff reasons might keep you from mounting a fusion engine and/or making it a full ASF, but that just leaves you with a bit of a lemon. Too expensive (I assume) to mass produce along the lines of your other designs, incapable of performing the tasks you assigned to it with a passing grade.
The only job I see it doing well is close air support. Which might be enough to warrent it's existance. If so, reduce it's mission profile. You might still deploy it that way because you have to, but aiming to deploy it in such a broad fashion is banking on defeat.
Paul
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Raven!
Clan Snow Raven
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| Posted: 09-Dec-2003 10:29 Post subject: RE: ILL-D7 Decembrist Conventional Fighter |
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200 does equal a 4/6 rating. Let me answer your questions here, and then i'll post the redesigned version of the plane. SI increased to 6 and I really really really need HM Aero I'm doing this all by hand and with no rule book on fighter construction. I reconstructed the rules using the Guardian, Planetlifter and MechBuster from 3026.
Now. Part of the reason for the creation of the Imperial Russian world of Bryant was a few lines from 3026 which talked about small arms and tanks making up huge amounts of the forces in the Inner Sphere because BattleMechs were to precious. So I said, lets consider something: 3056 rolls around and you have the Chaos March, a bunch of independent planets form with not even close to enough resources to build huge mech regiments, but what happened to all their military reserves? Bryant is the logical conclusion of a world fighting a purely defensive battle strategy using conventional vehicles, but with the production rates you see in 3056 (actually based off of Soviet production figures pre WW2).
Soo... no fusion engines, but a good heavy industry. So you see a lot of tanks (and ICE engines are always listed as common as rocks, when fusion engines aren't), infantry, conventional fighters. So I'm like "Well hell, how do you fight huge evil mech forces with pitiful tanks?" Answer: "Lots of strafing runs "
Anyway thats why i have so many conventional fighter designs, and they are going to be slower then their aerospace conterparts because they are just screwed over in the rules. Thats a problem I can't get around, except by producing ultra lights.
Hence why you were correct. The Decembrist is moved over from Air Superiority to Air Support. I am going to post two new units, the Nova and Katyushas. Both used homemade tech to make them work (but its reasonable tech. My bomb clusters and Vampire's heavy machine guns). They are both fast: 7/11 for the Nova, 6/9 for Katyushas. and both weigh 25 tons.
Overall, interesting designs.
The Nova is designed to establish aerospace superiority by chewing up enemy fighters in dog fights, and the Katyushas is used to fly in and pound away with bombs against the dropship carriers (the BC's can do some damage in BattleSpace rules I've decided). Then using these lighter machines to harry the foe, the Decembrists move up and start shooting. 40 rockets will make anyone sad, as will that large laser.
Those two designs will be posted in a while. Have to get some stuff done first.
Anyway.
Raven, who hopes that all made sense!
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