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Havoc~Ronin
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 Posted: 29-Mar-2004 11:59 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Bob the painter? 
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Kiris65
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 12:02 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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thought Bob was a sponge, not a painter... 
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 12:11 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Bob, the Sponge Painter!!! Paint by Numbers works for me !!!
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 13:08 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Well, seeing as no one has a clue about classic painters, here it is
It's from a painting of Goya, "The family of Charles IV" currently at the Prado museum here.
If I were a Lyran I wouldn't be amused, since the portrait is less than flattering, portraying the ambitions and decadence of Charles IV court
heres an image of the painting
http://museoprado.mcu.es/familiacg.html
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Havoc~Ronin
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 14:17 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Wow! talk about a case of copyright infringement! Add new heads, delete a few figures and add black shadowing and voila, instant artwork! Whatever happened to originality?
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Oafman
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 14:32 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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That is called Artistic License Havoc. I actually have an Artistic license, plastic coated and everything.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 15:15 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Oh, the horror!!!
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Kiris65
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 15:28 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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even scarier, I heard he has a "drivers" license too,
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 16:19 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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It's a rumor. Oafman cannot drive....He pilots.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 21:37 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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I looked at both pictures and while there are a few similarity's in concept I do not believe that there are enough of them to justify the claim of copying the piece
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 22:48 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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That's fitting; Btech really reminds me of the 17th-18th century in European history...a lot more than it does of the medieval period, despite all of the talk about feudalism. The FWL is the only state that really looks at all medieval; the rest have too much centralized power.
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| Posted: 29-Mar-2004 22:49 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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Thanks for the update
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2004 06:40 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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On 2004-03-29 21:37, Motown Scrapper wrote:
I looked at both pictures and while there are a few similarity's in concept I do not believe that there are enough of them to justify the claim of copying the piece
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Motown, you are just arguing for arguing sake, you don't need to have had history of art classes and be familiar with the piece to recognize the similarities and concluded that the author was in a hurry or feeling lazy and borrowed from a classical painter.
Just what Havoc said, just delete a few figures, change a couple details, and instant artwork, anybody that has tried drawing or painting will tell you that composition it's the hardest part.
The similarity is so obvious that when I saw the cover I instantly associated it with Goya's portrait.
I'll point out some details to show you that this cover is indeed a carbon copy (and to show off as a pedantic art critic  )
First, the disposition of the figures, their relative positions to each other, and their poses. These are so self evident that I don't need to go any further.
The author has just bunched up the figures closer to the center to avoid the empty spaces left by the deletion of the other people in the pic.
The Steiner General in the center. Look at the pose, the left arm, the band across the chest, the cluster of medals (incidentally, none of them are known Steiner decorations, in fact the only Lyran stuff in the figure are the cut of the tunic, the epaulettes, the Steiner crosses rank insignia and the school rags with the medal pinned on it) , the paunch even the facial features resemble those of the king.
The female figure on the right has been slightly modified to make it look like hugging the silver haired general instead of holding a baby, but the pose is the same
Likewise, the figure of the queen in the middle keeps the same pose, look at the position of the arms, but instead of holding children is holding a glass and her silk sash
And finally, the most damning evidence of copy is the female figure of the left, that is looking away from the viewer.
Goya painted her that way so her face it's not visible (and fuzzied it so it seems unfinished) because she was meant to represent the bride of the prince, and at the time of the painting it was not know wich exact princess would be chosen, or if it had been chosen there was not a portrait of her available so nobody knew what she was like.
I tell you, white and comes in bottles, it has to be milk
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| Posted: 30-Mar-2004 08:58 Post subject: RE: House Steiner Handbook cover trivia question |
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I also still carry my laminated MST3K membership card. #41661
Not to mention the 4 years worth of SCA blue cards.
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