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Delta
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 Posted: 04-Jun-2005 21:01 Post subject: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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Whats the deal with the moving firing piloting skill? I mean, you can walk and shoot an artillery piece and not have to take a piloting skill roll but have to with a direct fire cannon?
Who here drops the piloting skill roll for this?
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chihawk
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| Posted: 04-Jun-2005 21:04 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-04 21:01, Delta wrote:
Whats the deal with the moving firing piloting skill? I mean, you can walk and shoot an artillery piece and not have to take a piloting skill roll but have to with a direct fire cannon?
Who here drops the piloting skill roll for this?
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Not I.
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| Posted: 04-Jun-2005 21:28 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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Newton's Third Law: Whenever one body exerts force upon a second body, the second body exerts an equal and opposite force upon the first body.
If you've seen an artillery piece fire, even a short-barreled piece, the barrel recoils, dissipating the effect imparted to the firing platform (in this case, a 'mech).
A Gauss Rifle, however, has no moving parts. All the negative force imparted to the firing platform by the accelerating slug is transferred directly.
At least, that's how my limited understanding of physics reasons out the rule.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 04:05 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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Recoil on gauss weapons seems strange to me. Standard guns use explosives to fire the projectile, but gauss uses series of magnets, seems like recoil on sling.
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Seraph
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 09:04 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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This topic has been debated with some heat a while back.
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 09:51 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-05 09:04, Seraph wrote:
This topic has been debated with some heat a while back.
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And my opinion is unchanged--if you're going to accept the positives of a weapon it's munchy to not accept its negatives.
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 11:12 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-05 09:51, chihawk wrote:
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On 2005-06-05 09:04, Seraph wrote:
This topic has been debated with some heat a while back.
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And my opinion is unchanged--if you're going to accept the positives of a weapon it's munchy to not accept its negatives.
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Game balance. If some weapon is too good compared to the rest it will unbalance the game. Sure, a Gauss shouldn't have recoil. It shouldn't be limited to 8 shots per ton either, and it should do about a hundred times more damage. Who would want to play the game?
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 12:26 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-05 11:12, Nightmare wrote:
Sure, a Gauss shouldn't have recoil.
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Newton would tend to disagree...even if you are pushing the shell out with magnets, you still have force acting back against the 'Mech...and though the mass might not be great when compared to the 'Mech, the acceleration is the real killer...
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Delta
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 13:23 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-04 21:28, Warhammer: 3025 wrote:
Newton's Third Law: Whenever one body exerts force upon a second body, the second body exerts an equal and opposite force upon the first body.
If you've seen an artillery piece fire, even a short-barreled piece, the barrel recoils, dissipating the effect imparted to the firing platform (in this case, a 'mech).
A Gauss Rifle, however, has no moving parts. All the negative force imparted to the firing platform by the accelerating slug is transferred directly.
At least, that's how my limited understanding of physics reasons out the rule.
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Oh ya. Physics...
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 05-Jun-2005 13:48 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-05 09:04, Seraph wrote:
This topic has been debated with some heat a while back.
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Where?
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Delta
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 13:18 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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I wonder how munchy a T-Comp and a HGR are... 
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 16:43 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-06 13:18, Delta wrote:
I wonder how munchy a T-Comp and a HGR are...
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Well, that TC weighs 4 tons just for the HGR...add a few lasers to that mech and the TC starts getting prohibitive.
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 20:37 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-06 16:43, chihawk wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 13:18, Delta wrote:
I wonder how munchy a T-Comp and a HGR are...
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Well, that TC weighs 4 tons just for the HGR...add a few lasers to that mech and the TC starts getting prohibitive.
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5 tons...an Inner Sphere TC is tonnage for direct lasers and ballistics/4...18/4 is 4.2, which rounds up to 5 tons...
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Delta
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| Posted: 06-Jun-2005 21:02 Post subject: RE: The Heavy Gauss Rifle |
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On 2005-06-06 20:37, Ruger wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 16:43, chihawk wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 13:18, Delta wrote:
I wonder how munchy a T-Comp and a HGR are...
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Well, that TC weighs 4 tons just for the HGR...add a few lasers to that mech and the TC starts getting prohibitive.
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5 tons...an Inner Sphere TC is tonnage for direct lasers and ballistics/4...18/4 is 4.2, which rounds up to 5 tons...
Ruger
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If your making a mixed tech mech, a Clan TC would weight 3 tons...plus laser tonnage...
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